"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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The 3 strike rule - what is the border to neediness- desperateness

TheGambino

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Guys, I've been very active in the approach, date, hook up scene the last couple of years like a lot of you aswell.

I've used the 3 strike rule when I couldn't gauge a girl's real interest level. Now that I am more experienced I can tell when a girl is really attracted to me and give her more chances before nexting when she is declining date offers.

Ofcourse we know the standard rules like: Anything other then a yes is a low interest case and no counter offer is a dead cause.

Anyway, we do this to protect ourselves from neediness and being active on spinning plates.

Now my question.

Let's say, she's fluctuaed attracted to you(or it is less then before), you made out or even hooked up or theres an ex or better option for her in the picture and she declined your date offer.

Howmany times and in what time rate would you try it again and why would you do it and why not?

When will your date offers become ''needy'' and how could you stay a challenge while your asking her out?

I see some of my natural DJ buddies have a encounter with a very hot chick then are capable to completely not text or call her and just wait until they meet again randomly (even months later) to hook up again. I know this works but me as a DJ want to find out if I could take her out sooner.

Anyway 3 strikes in 3 weeks is needy or normal? Or do you guys move on after one strike.

To be honest, girls are emotional.. sometimes she feels tired, fat, ugly, she just wants to eat chocolate and watch gossip girl with wine and her cat and then declines your offer.

Then again she would counter offer for a week later because she doens't want to lose you to another woman.

So what's your experience in asking a girl out compared to not coming across as needy and desperate? Ofcourse you are never call for hours or text too much, that's a genuine rule.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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women are just starting to piss me off full stop my 9 year old daughters is better behaved than most 25-40 year olds

sorry i cant help OP

my dad would faint reading all this BS... my mom couldnt wait to go out with him in the 60s even if to just sit in the car with a bag of chips....

still together now
 

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women are just starting to piss me off full stop my 9 year old daughters is better behaved than most 25-40 year olds

sorry i cant help OP

my dad would faint reading all this BS... my mom couldnt wait to go out with him in the 60s even if to just sit in the car with a bag of chips....

still together now
But he wanted it or he wanted sex? I think most men are into sex not into women
 

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women are just starting to piss me off full stop my 9 year old daughters is better behaved than most 25-40 year olds

sorry i cant help OP

my dad would faint reading all this BS... my mom couldnt wait to go out with him in the 60s even if to just sit in the car with a bag of chips....

still together now
I know bro, its not the 60s anymore...
 

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But he wanted it or he wanted sex? I think most men are into sex not into women
no im not on about sex, im about if my own dad had to read the bollox we have to go through hed be rolling his eyes all day in disbelief

when he dated a woman it was "NORMAL" she either gave off the vibe she wasnt interested and you took the hint

or you called her and arranged a date and she looked forward to seeing the man even if they had little money

all this "she texts you all week and then pulls off a no show" , **** me guys come on you know what i mean the list is endless of the stunts they pull off
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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apologies OP for hijacking thread just cant get over how discurteous and selfish there becoming, analyzing counter offers and times and dates when youve offered the cheeky ***** out for a good time
 

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no im not on about sex, im about if my own dad had to read the bollox we have to go through hed be rolling his eyes all day in disbelief

when he dated a woman it was "NORMAL" she either gave off the vibe she wasnt interested and you took the hint

or you called her and arranged a date and she looked forward to seeing the man even if they had little money

all this "she texts you all week and then pulls off a no show" , **** me guys come on you know what i mean the list is endless of the stunts they pull off
its only my theory, but it might be due to sense of entitlement from social media and the fact that men never fight women they just play like gentleman even if she fails hard. so they KNOW they can do what they want
 

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The goal, in my book, is to get to the point you tolerate zilch. I'm speaking in the context of early on and randoms. If chit happens and you fall out for 6 months and bump into each other, it doesn't phase you, because your rotation is full, but any blatant flakiness anymore, 1 strike and she's gone, unless we're going out on her dime. Idc if I only got half my rotation filled up and the others look like they are fixing to drop. If you don't want to go without pvssy for a minute you will either a) tolerate a little more or b) keep your rotation full.
 

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Smv can change over the years too. There's been girls that I've hit on half a decade earlier and wouldn't give me no play, that I've nailed later on down the line. I wouldn't sweat it or them in the moment.
 

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The moment your intuition starts to tell you that you might be looking needy, is the moment you shut it down.

Trust your gut
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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If more guys just trusted their gut, @sazc . I mean, it is meant to KEEP YOU ALIVE, it is there to ensure your genes survive. Surviving > gettin laid.
 
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