"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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thedude4242

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guess what? the pick up community has not done nothing but makes things harder for men. women now, never will have to approach another man and sit on her throne while tons of men come up to them, talk and close with a phone number. you guys made it worse.

now they have more options than ever. too many to handle.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Um women for the most part don't approach men period. Never have and never well as a general rule for their species. But thanks for playing. Pick up a free sad trollkin at the gift shop.
 

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you guys are the same dudes who made women the way they are. go get her phone number and set up a date like the other 10 guys are doing.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Most of this forum isn't even about picking up women. It's about being a man. And yes, everyone will try to set up a date. Because that's what people do, they try to have fun. Game might help a little, but it's mostly about attraction. Girls approach guys too, as long as the guy is hot enough, smart enough or social enough.
 

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AlexDP said:
Most of this forum isn't even about picking up women. It's about being a man. And yes, everyone will try to set up a date. Because that's what people do, they try to have fun. Game might help a little, but it's mostly about attraction. Girls approach guys too, as long as the guy is hot enough, smart enough or social enough.

So thats why all the girls come my way instead of yours. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was confuzzled.
 

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Warrior74 said:
Um women for the most part don't approach men period. Never have and never well as a general rule for their species.
With all the "Womens empowerment" thing going on in the last 2 decades, I think thats bull$hit.

But I understand it will likely not change....well at least for the non-slvts
 

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It seems like the real feminine women will know their place and let the men approachs--that's just how we're hardwired.

In my experience only the war pigs make the first move so it's not like it's the girl you want anyway? Enititlement or not, the biddie you real want don't make the moves, most are insecure anyway. (depends if you count using her friend to ask your # as 'making a move.')
 

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thedude4242 said:
you guys are the same dudes who made women the way they are. go get her phone number and set up a date like the other 10 guys are doing.
Men didn't make women the way they are... just how long do you think men and women have been dating? Do you think this whole thing is like 50 year old?

Men and women have been dating for the past several hundred years. Even though arranged marraiges were common in certain parts of the world, MUCH of the European world was not structured that way.

Did you know that 100 years ago the average age of marriage for women in the US was 24? Did you know that currently, the average age of marraige for women in the US is 25? When you look at things in those terms (real numbers), it becomes hard to justify your lack of competitiveness with other men for high quality women by hating on guys who learned how to talk to women through the internet.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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no hating here. go to a club or anywhere. take a cute girl who is approachable. she will get 5-10 numbers given to her a night. I see it done all the time. how many numbers does a guy get given to him that will actually come through? one at best.
 

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Amw406 said:
So thats why all the girls come my way instead of yours. Thanks for clearing that up for me. I was confuzzled.
That's a pretty lame attempt at a joke. If anything my post demonstrates that women do come to me.
 

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this has nothing to do with me get a date or anything like that. it is to show what we allow women to do.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Bigneil - I'm not sure how you feel about my post. Obviously you think it's laughable, but I'm not sure why. Would you please enlighten me?
 

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pdx1138 said:
With all the "Womens empowerment" thing going on in the last 2 decades, I think thats bull$hit.

But I understand it will likely not change....well at least for the non-slvts

Boots on the ground say it is the truth. When's the last time you seen it happen for the average man? of course if you have wealth, status or good looks then it happens. but for most of us. no. that doesn't happen. closed mouths dont get fed.
 

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Bigneil - I'm not sure how you feel about my post. Obviously you think it's laughable, but I'm not sure why. Would you please enlighten me?
I thought men and women were dating for the past several thousand generations.

But maybe you meant they have been dating in the traditional sense for the past several hundred years?
 
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