Teenage girl "humiliated" for being told to cover up

[cordoncordon]

More of the same arguments, with my exact same answer as above as well. I'm not sure what it is exactly that you are arguing against. Whether people *should* be allowed to do it? Is that what you are arguing against?

All I am saying is the TSA agent should be severely reprimanded for what he said, IF HE SAID it as was stated in the article, if not fired. Yes you can say anything you want (within reason) while walking down the street as an everyday citizen. But that was not the case here. He is a govt employee, in uniform, in a position of power, who can decide whether that girl gets on the plane or not. That is a pretty powerful position to be in. I don't know about you, but when I am going through security at an airport, I can't say I am on edge, but I think everyone is a little nervous or antsy going through the security line, talking to the agents, putting things through screening, etc. No one wants to say or do the wrong thing because they fear being detained, missing the flight, or worse being arrested. So here you have a naive 15 year old girl, traveling without her parents, who knows next to nothing, being told she should 'cover up' by a grown, adult, govt worker with the power to have her arrested?

Just no. Wrong on so many levels I don't even know where to begin lol. The guy should be fired no questions asked.

Teenagers are idiots, I was one, everyone else was too. Teens think they know everything, and yet have the same logic as a new born infant.

Yes most of them are idiots. But being an idiot does not give a govt rep in a position of power to say what he said. Besides the fact she was dressed totally fine. It wasn't like she had on a tight little top showing cleavage with short shorts on. Not sure how many times you have flown into LA or Vegas? But I have seen 1000 x worse on girls.

 

[Eph]

CordonCordon, I think its funny you talk about the government having more control over citizens and yet think BECAUSE he is in a position of power (as well as a citizen) he shouldn't be allowed to voice his opinion. Contradiction? I think so.

Do you really think just because he is in a position of power, his rights should be revoked? I'm guessing you're the type who would prefer limited government control. She is dressed like a slvt, so she can't complain if someone tells her she is.

Besides, he was talking to himself - mumbling in fact. She had asked him to repeat what he said, and so he did. If she had any sense, she would have ignored him. If it was important, and she had ignored him, he would have stopped her. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he could have meant the plane ride would have been cold, hence "cover up".

I'm all for the freedom to wear what you would like, but have some decency. I agree with those who said, "she is probably just blowing it all out of proportion". I mean how many 15 year olds do you know that fly around the country with their friends to visit colleges dressed in the tightest clothes they can find?

However, I also agree he should have just let it be. If I was in his position, I wouldn't have said anything, not because it would hurt her feelings, but because I find it rude. My opinion that she should "cover up" wouldn't change though.

 

[cordoncordon]

CordonCordon, I think its funny you talk about the government having more control over citizens and yet think BECAUSE he is in a position of power (as well as a citizen) he shouldn't be allowed to voice his opinion. Contradiction? I think so.

Do you really think just because he is in a position of power, his rights should be revoked? I'm guessing you're the type who would prefer limited government control. She is dressed like a slvt, so she can't complain if someone tells her she is.

Besides, he was talking to himself - mumbling in fact. She had asked him to repeat what he said, and so he did. If she had any sense, she would have ignored him. If it was important, and she had ignored him, he would have stopped her. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, he could have meant the plane ride would have been cold, hence "cover up".

I'm all for the freedom to wear what you would like, but have some decency. I agree with those who said, "she is probably just blowing it all out of proportion". I mean how many 15 year olds do you know that fly around the country with their friends to visit colleges dressed in the tightest clothes they can find?

However, I also agree he should have just let it be. If I was in his position, I wouldn't have said anything, not because it would hurt her feelings, but because I find it rude. My opinion that she should "cover up" wouldn't change though.

But he is not 'just an ordinary citizen'. And even if he was just a guy walking down the street, if I had a daughter and some guy said that to her? We would have a problem. But anyway.....Once he puts on that uniform and goes to work as an agent for the US government, he is representative of something much bigger than just himself. He is a representative of the US govt, who holds a position of power, and as such has certain limits and guidelines that he cannot and should not violate. Telling a person that she should be ashamed and to cover up is certainly one of those things that a person in his position should not ever do unless the person is walking through security buck naked or has something on him or her that could cause a disturbance to the other passengers. And again, we are not talking as if this girl was walking through in a bikini. She was dressed totally fine, like any other high school or college girl.

For the life of me I cannot understand how you can say she is dressed like a slut. A girl with a flannel shirt over another top, wearing some sort of army type boots, is a slut? Wow.

Here she is....
http://sharlaslabyrinth.blogspot.com/2013/06/teen-girls-skimpy-outfit-too-hot-for-tsa.html

That's dressed like a slut? She was traveling on an airplane. People tend to dress for comfort. Looks like a comfortable outfit to me.


IF you guys want to start regulating how people dress? Again, just take a flight over to Afghanistan or Iraq, convert to Islam, join the Taliban, and you will be right at home.

 

[Eph]

But he is not 'just an ordinary citizen'. And even if he was just a guy walking down the street, if I had a daughter and some guy said that to her? We would have a problem. But anyway.....Once he puts on that uniform and goes to work as an agent for the US government, he is representative of something much bigger than just himself. He is a representative of the US govt, who holds a position of power, and as such has certain limits and guidelines that he cannot and should not violate. Telling a person that she should be ashamed and to cover up is certainly one of those things that a person in his position should not ever do unless the person is walking through security buck naked or has something on him or her that could cause a disturbance to the other passengers. And again, we are not talking as if this girl was walking through in a bikini. She was dressed totally fine, like any other high school or college girl.

For the life of me I cannot understand how you can say she is dressed like a slut. A girl with a flannel shirt over another top, wearing some sort of army type boots, is a slut? Wow.

Here she is....
http://sharlaslabyrinth.blogspot.com/2013/06/teen-girls-skimpy-outfit-too-hot-for-tsa.html

That's dressed like a slut? She was traveling on an airplane. People tend to dress for comfort. Looks like a comfortable outfit to me.


IF you guys want to start regulating how people dress? Again, just take a flight over to Afghanistan or Iraq, convert to Islam, join the Taliban, and you will be right at home.

Like I said, I believe this is one of those times when it would have been better to keep your opinion to yourself, in regards to the TSA guy. But he decided to voice his opinion, and has every right too. I don't care if he was President Obama himself, and said this. Again, I would find it rude to do so, but he still has every right too. Position of power, representative, or not. Furthermore, just because in this generation it is normal to dress that way, doesn't mean it isn't inappropriate.

Leggings are meant to be worn underneath a skirt or dress, not so teenage girls can show off their barely there @ss. As for the tank top, well let's disregard what I and others have said about it being slvtty for a second, and think: you're going to visit colleges dressed like you just got out of bed?

I can't speak for everyone, but what I find slvtty about what she is wearing, is that its the bare minimum she needs. She doesn't need to be over-dressed, but do you really find it fine for a 15 year old girl to be wearing barely anything?

In the end, she got what she wanted: attention.

 

[cordoncordon]

Like I said, I believe this is one of those times when it would have been better to keep your opinion to yourself, in regards to the TSA guy. But he decided to voice his opinion, and has every right too. I don't care if he was President Obama himself, and said this. Again, I would find it rude to do so, but he still has every right too. Position of power, representative, or not. Furthermore, just because in this generation it is normal to dress that way, doesn't mean it isn't inappropriate.

Leggings are meant to be worn underneath a skirt or dress, not so teenage girls can show off their barely there @ss. As for the tank top, well let's disregard what I and others have said about it being slvtty for a second, and think: you're going to visit colleges dressed like you just got out of bed?

I can't speak for everyone, but what I find slvtty about what she is wearing, is that its the bare minimum she needs. She doesn't need to be over-dressed, but do you really find it fine for a 15 year old girl to be wearing barely anything?

In the end, she got what she wanted: attention.

Maybe it's just me, I don't know. But living out here in Southern CA, and in visiting Vegas a lot, I see girls dressed like that all the time, and much much worse. On a 1-10 scale of slutness, with a 10 being the worst, the way she is dressed is like a 3-4. It's nothing. I can't believe this is even an issue it's that low on the slutness scale.

Do some of you live in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?

 

[fuzzball]

I don't care if it was a teenage girl, a 5 year old, a Jew in full Jewish garb, a 75 year old man, or a prostitute. The TSA workers job is to screen passengers for the safety of the airlines. Not to tell someone how to dress. And certainly not when she was dressed perfectly fine. Look at her outfit. There is nothing nothing nothing wrong with it. It isn't slutty at all. She is dressed like any other 15 year old girl.

This is much bigger than some TSA idiot. This is another example of the govt exerting more and more control over the population and the population getting more and more used to it so that at some point ALL of our civil liberties will have been taken away and people will go along with it like the sheep they are.

again comprehend the situation. you assume the TSA agent did what he reportedly did and the teenage girl is not lying. stop making such an assumption. teenagers in general and especially teenage girls blow stuff out of proportion like its a basic need for survival. its just what they do. in any cases of he said she said involving teenagers treat them as suspect at best and sure as hell do not fire anyone over it. the value of your star witness is crucial.

also what this guy below me said i was going to post something similiar. what about his rights to free speech? her rights do not trump his. it cuts both ways. stop white knight defending this girl and see the bigger picture. just because he is in a position of power does not reduce his rights. it also shouldnt give them more rights than the rest of it although yes the TSA sadly abuses power but thats largely because the people allow it and i think that is why this girl is getting defended so much.

OMG TSA AGENT ABUSES POWER GUYZ!!!!!

Even Government workers have rights too. Part of a free society is being able to say what you wish without repercussion, even if it hurts the feelings of little girls.

We left a free society a long time ago unfortunately, but I still support his right to judge and comment about other people.

Having said that, I don't think her clothing was bad.

sadly you are right. we arent free anymore. anybody that thinks otherwise is delusional.

All I am saying is the TSA agent should be severely reprimanded for what he said

to hell with the first amendment amirite guys???? this might be a startling shock to most people but the first amendment is not to protect polite speech. its to protect my right to tell a cop fvck you with no legal repricussions. and if you can tell a cop that you can tell anyone that. thats the point. to protect perverse and rough and non politically correct speech...why? cause politically correct speech needs no protection.

I'm all for the freedom to wear what you would like, but have some decency. I agree with those who said, "she is probably just blowing it all out of proportion". I mean how many 15 year olds do you know that fly around the country with their friends to visit colleges dressed in the tightest clothes they can find?

then there is this....i do not know of any 15 year olds that fly around to colleges....and the teens that start looking for colleges by lets say 17(for those true early go getters) do not go dressed like they just rolled out of bed and wearing tight butcrack revealing pants and a thin partly see through white tank top. furthermore if she was going with her "friends"....wtf are they are in this article? surely she wasn't the only attractive getting eyeballed?

come on think people there are holes in her story. she wanted attention. she got it. dad let her have it. she learned boobs hold great power. men are wimps and daddy has no spine. ill just say this....if this was my dad and my sister....first off my sister would of never left the house with my family to go to a plane wearing that. and my dad certainly would not of given her the attention she was seeking and made this a national issue. he would have told her yea thats what you get for dressing like that suck it up but maybe thats because hes 70 and from a bygone era.

 

[Eph]

Maybe it's just me, I don't know. But living out here in Southern CA, and in visiting Vegas a lot, I see girls dressed like that all the time, and much much worse. On a 1-10 scale of slutness, with a 10 being the worst, the way she is dressed is like a 3-4. It's nothing. I can't believe this is even an issue it's that low on the slutness scale.

Do some of you live in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia?

I'm not saying its the sluttiest thing in the world, but there are a lot of better choices. You don't have to wear the least amount and/or tightest clothing to be found attractive. If you're looking for a quick thing, then sure tight clothes are a great thing. If you're one of the millions of guys (not saying I'm not one of them) who like to look at girls wearing things like this, then its great. But I'd say the girl who can look nice in the least "provocative" clothes gets a lot more attention than the one who wears the tightest thing possible.

And, just as a heads up, any traditional Pakistani or Arabian wouldn't be on a site like this.

then there is this....i do not know of any 15 year olds that fly around to colleges....and the teens that start looking for colleges by lets say 17(for those true early go getters) do not go dressed like they just rolled out of bed and wearing tight butcrack revealing pants and a thin partly see through white tank top. furthermore if she was going with her "friends"....wtf are they are in this article? surely she wasn't the only attractive getting eyeballed?

come on think people there are holes in her story. she wanted attention. she got it. dad let her have it. she learned boobs hold great power. men are wimps and daddy has no spine. ill just say this....if this was my dad and my sister....first off my sister would of never left the house with my family to go to a plane wearing that. and my dad certainly would not of given her the attention she was seeking and made this a national issue. he would have told her yea thats what you get for dressing like that suck it up but maybe thats because hes 70 and from a bygone era.

Exactly my point. All she wanted was some attention, and she saw a chance to get it on a national scale. At first, it was probably just another normal day for her. Wear something sexy, and get some attention and stares from a few horny guys to one-up her friends.

But the second the TSA guy said something to her, she blew it out of proportion and got her dad to unknowingly help her get more attention by turning it into a national story. And then to sweeten the deal for her, he posts her "sexy" little outfit online just to show everyone "there was nothing wrong with it."

Her dad was nothing more than a pawn and I'm not surprised he didn't think there was anything wrong with what she was wearing. She knew he would defend her, and the whole situation would gather some attention and controversy. All she probably expected was a little more attention before her dad posted the pic online.

Everyone wants to be famous, popular, well-known, etc, whatever the price, but anyone with some common sense can see the holes in her story.

 

[pinkfl]

1. Leggings aren't pants.
They are meant to be worn under shorter dresses or longer shirts to preserve modesty, not be worn with a short top with your stomach showing with an unbuttoned shirt. The only time and place to show your midriff is at the beach. No, she's not dressed "terribly" but it's certainly nothing to be proud of.

2. Teenagers are stupid but that's why they are supposed to have parents to guide them.

 

[cordoncordon]

OK I'm gonna tell you what and I want everyone to do this ok? Assuming you work in an office situation, or at the very least with other coworkers, next time you see a woman subordinate who is dressed decently but I don't know, maybe she has on a skirt showing some leg or a top showing a little cleavage (which this teen girl didnt even do), someone who you have power over, I want you to walk up to her, and I want you to tell her she should be ashamed and she should cover herself up more. Or if you happen to be a teacher, or a police officer, or anyone who has power over someone else at your workplace, I want you to say that.

I can promise you if you do? You will either be reprimanded, suspended, or fired. It's sexual harassment pure and simple. And it's even worse when a GOVERNMENT representative does it while on duty. You guys keep mistaking an everyday casual situation with a WORK situation. Totally different thing. You cannot say those types of things in a work setting or when one has a position of authority over another.

And here is the thing. I don't care if it was woman TSA agent who said that to a man. That he should cover up more. I would say the same thing. It is not a WK situation at all. For some reason that seems to be the catch phrase around here as of late whenever a woman gets any amount of help from a man. Not sure why but that is what this site has become.

To me it has much much bigger than that. This is about government powers and the gradual dumbing down and and controlling of the US population. Whats next? The govt tells us how to eat? Sleep? Have sex?

Just no.

 

[cordoncordon]

Women are meant to be owned like dogs or horses

all societies knew this...except for ours

today women run amuck and it is directly proportional to the freedom and rights they have been given

today men are puzzy starved faggots who have no control of their lives...except for the freedom to enter into debt.

There is no response to this other than to say I hear the Taliban have a few openings. You should check them out.

Urine idiot.

 

[cordoncordon]

And you're a faggot white knight who will always be a clueless clown:crackup:

Of course you would go there. Of course.

This has nothing to do with being a WK. As I stated if this had been a woman saying a man should cover up I would say the same thing. This is about what is right. And what is a person's right to dress how they want to without being scolded by a person who holds power over you in the work place or in this case with the TSA agent, where that person could have you arrested.


However, judging by your comments, you seem to be the type who thinks that women belong in burga's and only allowed outside the house in the presence of a man, and preferably on a leash.

I would LOVE to meet you face to face someday.


In edit: How in the hell do you post 2300 times in two years? Do you even leave the house or do you live tied to a computer?

 

[djgirl]

Some of you guys are freaking morons. Why don't you all just convert to Islam and join the Taliban? That way all of your women can dress head to toe in a burga and never be seen.

I don't care if she was dressed in a dress that went 3 inches past her cooter. The TSA has no fawking business telling anyone what to wear and how to wear it unless she is buck naked or causing a distraction to other passengers. Next thing you know the govt will be telling us when we can eat, what to eat, when to have sex and on and on. It infuriates me to all hell that some people are actually defending this TSA worker that did this. He should be fired and fined and whatever else they can do to him. He has no business saying jack to her. Not ever.

I saw the pic of how she was dressed. There was nothing wrong with it at all. AT ALL. She had on black tights with a top and a flannel or something similar over top of that.

IF I was her and her dad I was sue the hell out of the TSA for sexual harassment and wouldn't think twice about it.

I think some of you are so anti women that a girl could be gang raped and killed and you would still somehow find a way to blame her.

^ This. Glad someone has sense. Agreed most of the dudes here should join islam. Girls are free to dress how they please...she wasnt even dressed that bad, ive seen worse. Next time i see a topless guy roaming the streets ill go up to him and tell him to put a sweater on and his a slut!

 

[zekko]

I don't care if she was dressed in a dress that went 3 inches past her cooter. The TSA has no fawking business telling anyone what to wear and how to wear it unless she is buck naked or causing a distraction to other passengers. Next thing you know the govt will be telling us when we can eat, what to eat, when to have sex and on and on. It infuriates me to all hell that some people are actually defending this TSA worker that did this. He should be fired and fined and whatever else they can do to him. He has no business saying jack to her. Not ever.

I'm totally with Cordon on this one. The guy was operating as a government official. He had no right to be telling anyone how they should dress. TSA workers in general are under suspicion of often abusing their power, so they of all people should be extra careful not to overstep their bounds. This isn't about the girl, it's about freedom, and government abuse of power.

By the way, I don't doubt that the government will be telling us what to eat someday, maybe sooner rather than later. Since they spend so much money on medicaid and health insurance, I'm sure they will feel justified in demanding that we all remain at a certain size and BMI.

 

[devilkingx2]

I think that whole freedom of america thing goes both ways

she should be allowed to dress however she wants

he should be allowed to make any comment he wants about it

if she doesn't like it, don't dress in a way that gets comments, otherwise she can deal

 

[Epimanes]

My daughter was wearing a shirt one day that exposed her cleavage. And an old man walked by her on her way home from school and commented on her breasts as he walked by.my daughter said that he said "nice titties". My daughter was is shock. She said to me how could he say such I thing I'm only 14 and he looked 60. I had to explain to her that first she doesn't look 14 (more like 19) and that men will look if its sticking out. Since then (she's 15 almost 16) she wears a tube top across her breasts to cover her cleavage when her shirts "v" too low. Easy fix for that kind of thing. If they don't want every tom, **** and harrry to look then it should not be on display.

 

[cordoncordon]

Again, for the millionth time now, this was not some random guy or person on the street just walking by her. This was a TSA agent, working for the airlines, who made the comment to her WHILE HE WAS WORKING, IN UNIFORM, and while he was working security that she was going through. In no way shape or form should he have made the comment under those circumstances.

Make the comment in a bar or a grocery store? Fine (although be prepared to back that up if her bf or father is nearby). But make it in a professional work situation while he has a position of power over her? Never.

 

[devilkingx2]

Again, for the millionth time now, this was not some random guy or person on the street just walking by her. This was a TSA agent, working for the airlines, who made the comment to her WHILE HE WAS WORKING, IN UNIFORM, and while he was working security that she was going through. In no way shape or form should he have made the comment under those circumstances.

Make the comment in a bar or a grocery store? Fine (although be prepared to back that up if her bf or father is nearby). But make it in a professional work situation while he has a position of power over her? Never.

someone in a position of power isn't allowed an opinion? even if they don't abuse their power?

 

[MaddXMan]

Probably some fundamentalist nutcase winger who thinks the earth is only 6000 years old too. Taliban? Our country has more fanatic religious freaks than any other.

 

[cordoncordon]

someone in a position of power isn't allowed an opinion? even if they don't abuse their power?

Yes they are allowed an opinion, while they are not working. For example if a policeman pulled over a female while in uniform and on duty, and he started making comments to her about her top, or her short skirt, or her breasts, he could be fired, fined, sued, you name it, for sexual harrassment. Same as if a teacher does it to a student.

Now you have the same policeman or teacher walking down a street on a Sunday while off duty or not working? He can say whatever he wants. though as a rep of the police dept or that school district, they still may get into trouble if the girl who was told those comments finds out who they are and reports them.

 

[Dali_tx_o]

EDIT: Sorry, double post.