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Note that the bill is bipartisan. The democratic leadership is just as for sale as republicans have always been, and not all that different altogether. There are three parties in Congress right now. The new, younger, progressive democrats despise their own party just as much as they do the republicans, and for good reason.


A bipartisan group in Congress wants to make it harder for you to do taxes
Congress is set to pass one of the most blatant pieces of corporate welfare in years.
 

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Note that the bill is bipartisan. The democratic leadership is just as for sale as republicans have always been, and not all that different altogether. There are three parties in Congress right now. The new, younger, progressive democrats despise their own party just as much as they do the republicans, and for good reason.


A bipartisan group in Congress wants to make it harder for you to do taxes
Congress is set to pass one of the most blatant pieces of corporate welfare in years.
I don't see the problem here. If the IRS creates this software, then the government is going to get bigger, because people will be hired to manage this software. This is simple private vs. public sector. We will be taxed higher to pay for it.
 

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It makes ZERO sense to have an income tax. It basically forces us to create less wealth.

We should operate only on a sales tax. Then those who consume the most, pay the most. What could be more fair?
The best government programs are run this way. Department of Transportation is the best example. Federal Highway Administration (and State Departments), Federal Aviation Administration, etc., all based on fuel taxes. Of course, that's getting tougher to do for the highway side because of electric cars, but eventually they will be taxed too.
 

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We should operate only on a sales tax. Then those who consume the most, pay the most. What could be more fair?
Flat taxes are the definition of regressive. The hole in your logic is that billionaires don't consume products like gasoline at a level representative of their enormous wealth. The idea that flat taxes ate fair is a ridiculous lie, told by the rich, as an effort to continue to screw the poor.
 

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I don't see the problem here. If the IRS creates this software, then the government is going to get bigger, because people will be hired to manage this software. This is simple private vs. public sector. We will be taxed higher to pay for it.
Omg, this sounds like Fox News logic. Get tha guvment outta my life!

I guess you are saying Ronald Reagan was a socialist? By today's standards, he probably would be.

The law is blatant corporate welfare. It amazes me how people can be sold ideas like this. All hail corporate profits!
 

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Flat taxes are the definition of regressive. The hole in your logic is that billionaires don't consume products like gasoline at a level representative of their enormous wealth. The idea that flat taxes ate fair is a ridiculous lie, told by the rich, as an effort to continue to screw the poor.
Number 1, regressive and progressive are just terms made up for one to sound negative and one to sound positive. An idea is either good or bad.

Number 2, is the difference in what the tax funds. Gasoline taxes go to roads, so those programs would stay the exact same. Income tax, that pays for stupid social stuff, would go away or have to be funded by other things, which it would be. So no, everyone would still pay the same, depending on what you consume. Could be housing, jets, boats, whatever. Would generate enormous amounts of jobs.

But there again, I do tend to agree with you that a 100% flat tax would have some unintended consequences. There needs to be SOME redistribution by government oversight, but not as much as you say.

Omg, this sounds like Fox News logic. Get tha guvment outta my life!
Typical Bible_Belt shame phrase, check.

I guess you are saying Ronald Reagan was a socialist? By today's standards, he probably would be.
Typical false evidence to support shame phrase, check.

The law is blatant corporate welfare. It amazes me how people can be sold ideas like this. All hail corporate profits!
Finally, you come back to your opinion, al

Anyways, onto the issue. You either pay higher taxes or you pay a private firm. Or #3, you do your taxes yourself without the help of government software. Who cares?

The net benefit of any of this is negligible. In that vein though, I tend to agree, why pass the law to begin with, but it doesn't matter if they do.
 

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Billionaires consume way more than the average person. Especially fuel. How much do they consume flying around in private jets and helicoptors?

Therefore, how is a consumption tax unfair?
The typical American has less than $2,000 in the bank, which goes into a billion 5,000 times. So for every gallon of gas a working person buys, a billionaire must buy 5,000 gallons for the tax to be anything other than regressive. It doesn't happen that way. Gas taxes, like all flat taxes, exist to stick it to poor people, not rich. That is why Republicans love them. That is their idea of "fair."
 

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The typical American has less than $2,000 in the bank, which goes into a billion 5,000 times. So for every gallon of gas a working person buys, a billionaire must buy 5,000 gallons for the tax to be anything other than regressive. It doesn't happen that way. Gas taxes, like all flat taxes, exist to stick it to poor people, not rich. That is why Republicans love them. That is their idea of "fair."
You do not listen to anyone else's viewpoints. I mean, at all. You may have read it, but you did not LISTEN i.e. give the points any real consideration.

One of the first marks of a highly effective person is the ability to listen to others. Everything you said here has been addressed, and you simply go back to the old point, rather than address the refute.
 

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Your analysis is flawed because it goes by asset, not the current income methodology.

The flawed analysis notwithstanding....
  • What is the difference in cost for a jet or a car?
  • How much taxes would be paid there?
  • What about the maintenance cost difference?
  • Which purchase creates more jobs?
  • Pilots?
  • Air traffic controllers?
The delta adds up and the billionaire pays far more taxes under the consumption tax approach.

Moreover, when you tax income you create less wealth because wealth creation becomes punished.

Shouldn't we be creating more wealth for everyone?
Not to mention people will more freely spend their money when they feel confident in the market. Look no further than the current economy and how good people 'feel' under Trump's administration. Even the Trump haters are more confident in the economy right now, though they'll never give him credit for it.

The people creating jobs are more likely to take risks when they feel like the system is in a good place.
 

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There doesn't need to be a law banning the IRS from creating this software. Waste of effort.

The IRS would never get this off the ground. If it ever did, it would be well after Intuit and other companies develop some other better way of doing things. Most people would never use it. Most government agencies can barely keep their websites modernized.

You can argue that it would waste taxpayers' money, but so what? That's what governments do. They'll find some other thing to waste it on, so save your anger.
 

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The typical American has less than $2,000 in the bank, which goes into a billion 5,000 times. So for every gallon of gas a working person buys, a billionaire must buy 5,000 gallons for the tax to be anything other than regressive. It doesn't happen that way. Gas taxes, like all flat taxes, exist to stick it to poor people, not rich. That is why Republicans love them. That is their idea of "fair."
Imagine if there was no income tax, but only a consumption tax. It would actually reward and encourage savers. You could earn as much as you like, but if you choose to save as much of it as possible (i.e. live frugally), you would pay little in taxes.

Right now, there are only tax "benefits" for stashing money in your 401k, which is Wall Street's way of pushing people into the stock market casino. If you just want to put money in your savings account, you get F-ed because the pathetic interest that banks pay doesn't cover inflation*. And the interest is taxable as income.

*Another back door method of pushing people into stocks.
 
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I despise the word "progressive".There's nothing progressive about building a platform on open borders and gender identity politics...fvkc the democrats. I'm voting straight up red MAGA in 2020.
 

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Typical corporate apologists. The brainwashing is too strong.
Unfortunately corporations get away with not having to pay taxes while people like you and me are threatened with imprisonment for the same. So I'm not so gung-ho about the IRS and its motives. In other words, not brainwashed.
 

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Unfortunately corporations get away with not having to pay taxes while people like you and me are threatened with imprisonment for the same. So I'm not so gung-ho about the IRS and its motives. In other words, not brainwashed.
So your anger goes at the ones who enforce the tax laws rather than the corporate lobbyists that write them?
 

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So your anger goes at the ones who enforce the tax laws rather than the corporate lobbyists that write them?
I'm not angry. Just telling the truth. The IRS is just the extortion unit of the federal mafia. And it is indifferent to whether individuals can pay or not. All a corporation needs to do is raise its prices to pay for its tax bill. As for the enforcers, they're just doing their job like anybody else. They don't have your interests in mind.
 

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I'm not angry. Just telling the truth. The IRS is just the extortion unit of the federal mafia. And it is indifferent to whether individuals can pay or not. All a corporation needs to do is raise its prices to pay for its tax bill. As for the enforcers, they're just doing their job like anybody else. They don't have your interests in mind.
“Federal mafia?” That’s some extreme paranoia my friend.
 

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It takes me literally 2 minutes to do my taxes every year. I get an electronic form which has already been completed by the tax authority, I sign it, I click send, and that's it. Then you come into this thread and see Americans not wanting this because "it'll make the gubment bigger!". What the fvck is wrong with you man? Private corporations want the government to use the least efficient solutions and lobby all day for it precisely so you'll agree to privatize everything instead and you see that in action with the tax preparing firms in this case, lobbying to prevent the government from being effective.

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