You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
You have just defined what a ***** is. Even in nature, most animals stay together exclusively for a while. Look at birds and s h i t. You don't see female birds fvcking another male bird other than the one it mated with. I could go on and on. This is a disguisting thread. You have described the definition of a s l ut on your post though.TheBucketOfTruth said:Stop bashing this guy for doing this. It is her immoral choice to be engaging in such activities, and the blame should be put on her.
The point here is that the woman is getting something from both relationships. This other guy is her lover, her friend, and her companion. I wouldn't be surprised if she actually loved him. The OP is an exciting guy that gives her something the boyfriend does not. What that is we don't know. Maybe her boyfriend is simply bad in bed so she has to be pleased somewhere else, but doesn't want to give up all the other things she loves about him. We could go on guessing forever.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
I can only speak for myself. But i know most of the women who i fvck who are taken do come to me for my 'skills'. Not just in bed, but also out of it. They come to me to not be serious for a few hours; to enjoy life like a child... Their motive is fun... And no i do not mind being used for fun because im using her for fun as well... I can also say that in order for them to be doing this to get a reaction out of their bf/husband - their bf/husband would have to know or have some idea --- and their almost always oblivious...Vypros said:No, you don't.1. I say "damaging" because it sets up a dynamic where you are just a penis to her. Essentially, she's not fvcking you for your "skills," she's doing it because of her own motives. Very likely that she's just using her to get a reaction from her boyfriend/husband/whatever. I don't know about you, but I don't take kindly to getting used in that manner. I have a tiny bit more self respect than that.
You clearly don't understand why people say that (or do but are bending it to make a bullet point). It's not 'If i don't take advantage of this, someone else will beat me to the punch.' I dont think anyone means it like that. Its mostly a justification statement.Vypros said:2. You assume that if you don't take it, someone else will....so you are putting yourself into the "scarcity" mindset. If you don't take advantage of this, someone else will beat you to the punch. It also sets you up as someone who will take it just because he can get it, without really qualifying her to some set of standards. Last I checked, this was typical chump behavior as defined by this forum.
If men and women cheating is destroying the fabric of manhood - then its been destroyed for thousands and thousands of years.Vypros said:3. By knowingly doing so, you are actively participating in hurting the other guy. People here complain about feminism and how it's destroyed the fabric of manhood in the society, and I say that's BS. MEN are what is destroying the fabric of manhood in society. Say what you want about feminism, but at least the feminists are loyal to each other under a cause they feel is worthy. Men who sleep with other men's women are loyal to no one, and as such are adding to the **** men face because no one has the sack to have any kind of standards anymore.
This was well put... The rest seemed to forget this point.(JJ) said:Neither of you are "disgusting" people. Just the victims of circumstance. Society tells us that we are to be monogamous. Mostly because all males want their women to only fvck them, and since they've been in charge for the vast majority of history, this is the way society's rules have turned out. If you don't believe me, take a look at the entire Islamic culture; in which, women do not show any skin except that around their eyes, and if they are found to have kissed another man, their tongues are cut out.
LOL! wow! None of this stuff applies to me. You couldnt be more wrong if you wanted. There used to be a lot of mltrs pundits back in 01-02 on-line. So i set out and tried it myself. Found them to be hard to keep women in at first - but with experience; i figured out how to frame things. And the bottom line is - i have fun doing this.... and get more than enough fulfillment. To think i dont - is arrogance on yur part.(JJ) said:Or, you can side with the people who have had such rough experiences with previous relationships, or even with their parents' divorces, that they have a hard time with any of the emotional fulfillment a committed relationship can provide... because of fear. Therefore, they are motivated solely by the sexual part of a relationship.
for a while? please dont bring nature into this - it will only prove the opposite of what you're trying to say... and the more aggressive the animal - the more this proves you wrong.... and considering we're one of the few species who is able to kill its own - id say we're pretty near the top in aggression.You have just defined what a ***** is. Even in nature, most animals stay together exclusively for a while. Look at birds and s h i t. You don't see female birds fvcking another male bird other than the one it mated with. I could go on and on. This is a disguisting thread. You have described the definition of a s l ut on your post though.
well dont feel to bad cause she is fing many other dude including you and her boyfriendSon of anarchy said:It happened a similar thing to me but we finished from 20 minutes and we were just talking in the bed.
She pretended to be sleeping and that he awoke her,actually it wasnt funny for me,i felt like a bastard to did that to an other man.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
he is in love.. true strong love makes you weak. women start hating you when love makes you weak you are done long before she lets you know you are done.. but there is no solution.. HUMANS ARE NOT BUILT FOR MONOGAMY ITS THAT SIMPLE.bukowski_merit said:....... i wanted to choke the dude... I didn't feel one bit sorry for him... i could see clearly through that phone call why she isn't turned on by him anymore... and why someone like me (who doesn't give a sh!t about her opinions on anything) got her into bed.
HUmans are animals you expect too much.. "isgusting. what goes around comes around" um yeah that how nature keep the gene pool strongshinko said:what that girl did is disgusting. what goes around comes around man. its girls like that just get me angery. sure the bf is a spoon, that's not in question, but for the girl to be that much of a coward to not just break it off before she gets upto such antics is just a wrongen through and through.
and woman complain about men not treating them well. i wonder why. gezz
I don't think humans are animals. I do believe that humans are given logic, reasoning, and a god damn brain to realize that you should mate with only one person unless you let the other person go. This is all over nature. We are humans, and not animals. A woman and a man's marriage is over the moment she or he goes outside of it. The challenge of all human beings is to live a good but a moral life. There are no animal instincts at play here. It's just your character. There are those with a strong character, and those with weak ones. That's it.DonGorgon said:HUmans are animals you expect too much.. "isgusting. what goes around comes around" um yeah that how nature keep the gene pool strong
you do realize that you sound bitter as fvck dont you?trent81 said:I don't think humans are animals. I do believe that humans are given logic, reasoning, and a god damn brain to realize that you should mate with only one person unless you let the other person go. This is all over nature. We are humans, and not animals. A woman and a man's marriage is over the moment she or he goes outside of it. The challenge of all human beings is to live a good but a moral life. There are no animal instincts at play here. It's just your character. There are those with a strong character, and those with weak ones. That's it.
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
I agree that what distinguishes human beings from the other members of the animal kingdom is our ability for rational thought.trent81 said:I don't think humans are animals. I do believe that humans are given logic, reasoning, and a god damn brain to realize that you should mate with only one person unless you let the other person go. This is all over nature. We are humans, and not animals. A woman and a man's marriage is over the moment she or he goes outside of it. The challenge of all human beings is to live a good but a moral life. There are no animal instincts at play here. It's just your character. There are those with a strong character, and those with weak ones. That's it.
bukowski_merit said:you slong - have a history of coming into my threads and screaming 'low quality' as if you have a magical 'high quality detector'... you come in threads sounding like a 2nd rate 'self-help' inner-game guru... you've claimed no woman you ever chose would ever in a billion years cheat on you....
you surely smoke some magical sh1t man...
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.