Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
I don't disagree with that either. After all, I don't blame women for wanting to wait as there are a LOT of losers (males) out there.joekerr31 said:the SEX might not be worth the wait, but the relationship might.
how about following an even simplier rule. are you enjoying yourself with her? does she treat you right? do you guys 'click'?
if everything is good, then give it some time and see what happens.
Best advice by far.Mr.Positive said:When a woman withholds sex, the best thing to do is withhold attention.
If things aren't progressing the way you want them to be, start focusing on some other women. This is exactly why we spin plates.
By all means, take things slow with her. You can still move fast with some other gals.
Sex really is a "relationship tryout" with a girl who takes things slow. Having patience can be a good thing!
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
ya, if you've been seeing each other regularly, clicking, having a good time, and after 3-4 weeks she still won't have sex with you then something is definitely wrong.Latinoman said:I don't disagree with that either. After all, I don't blame women for wanting to wait as there are a LOT of losers (males) out there.
But...I would say that after 3 weeks...or even 4 weeks...that's more than time enough to make her mind. She either has sex or becomes "friends". But dragging the "relationship" (and dates) without sex is pretty bad and expensive.
Yup. Listen to Joekerr.joekerr31 said:the SEX might not be worth the wait, but the relationship might.
how about following an even simplier rule. are you enjoying yourself with her? does she treat you right? do you guys 'click'?
if everything is good, then give it some time and see what happens.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Beware of this rationale, sex is the glue that holds an LTR together. Sex is an integral part of an LTR and if it is established from the outset that a woman's sexuality is conditional and a reward for desired behavior from a man rather than a mutual experience based on mutual desire, this LTR becomes fundamentally compromised.the SEX might not be worth the wait, but the relationship might.
I agree with this in a general sense. But again, nothing is clearly black or white. There are exceptions to every generalization. The OP assuming he is not naive should KNOW if this girl is one of low IL or very traditional.Rollo Tomassi said:"Taking things slow" is covert communication for "I have other irons in the fire, and you're not the first best option."
This is the law of diminishing returns; at what point is the yield out-valued by the effort needed to produce it? If you allow yourself to be put into a holding pattern with a "take it slow" woman you will ALWAYS expend more effort than the reward yield if for no other reason than that you are ignoring other, potentially better, opportunities in exchange for your attention.
The "take it slow" methodology capitalizes on a guy's insecurity in that it automatically places him into a constant position of qualifying himself to the woman at the risk of his reputation. In other words, if he doesn't take it slow (i.e forces the issue, pleads his case too emphatically) OR he ejects altogether, he risks becoming who she "fears he really is", a Playah only interested in getting in her panties. However the converse of this is that he wastes his own resources (time, opportunity, attention, money) indefinitely while trying to negotiate desire. Ultimately, assuming there is one, the reward (sex) will never out-value the investment.
In most instances, a guy getting this response is one of multiple options she's entertaining at the time and will conveniently be dismissed if a higher value guy becomes viable for her (i.e. the hot guy in Cancun). In a way this "take it slow" contrivance is a similar, but more manipulative version of the LJBF rejection. In the TIS method there is an implied presumption that a guy "may" qualify for her intimacy IF he can prove himself to be patient and match her set of prerequisites. There is no presumption in an LJBF and the guy simply takes it upon himself that he can qualify if he can only plead his case well enough.
Beware of this rationale, sex is the glue that holds an LTR together. Sex is an integral part of an LTR and if it is established from the outset that a woman's sexuality is conditional and a reward for desired behavior from a man rather than a mutual experience based on mutual desire, this LTR becomes fundamentally compromised.