You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I don't disagree with that either. After all, I don't blame women for wanting to wait as there are a LOT of losers (males) out there.joekerr31 said:the SEX might not be worth the wait, but the relationship might.
how about following an even simplier rule. are you enjoying yourself with her? does she treat you right? do you guys 'click'?
if everything is good, then give it some time and see what happens.
Best advice by far.Mr.Positive said:When a woman withholds sex, the best thing to do is withhold attention.
If things aren't progressing the way you want them to be, start focusing on some other women. This is exactly why we spin plates.
By all means, take things slow with her. You can still move fast with some other gals.
Sex really is a "relationship tryout" with a girl who takes things slow. Having patience can be a good thing!
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
ya, if you've been seeing each other regularly, clicking, having a good time, and after 3-4 weeks she still won't have sex with you then something is definitely wrong.Latinoman said:I don't disagree with that either. After all, I don't blame women for wanting to wait as there are a LOT of losers (males) out there.
But...I would say that after 3 weeks...or even 4 weeks...that's more than time enough to make her mind. She either has sex or becomes "friends". But dragging the "relationship" (and dates) without sex is pretty bad and expensive.
Yup. Listen to Joekerr.joekerr31 said:the SEX might not be worth the wait, but the relationship might.
how about following an even simplier rule. are you enjoying yourself with her? does she treat you right? do you guys 'click'?
if everything is good, then give it some time and see what happens.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Beware of this rationale, sex is the glue that holds an LTR together. Sex is an integral part of an LTR and if it is established from the outset that a woman's sexuality is conditional and a reward for desired behavior from a man rather than a mutual experience based on mutual desire, this LTR becomes fundamentally compromised.the SEX might not be worth the wait, but the relationship might.
I agree with this in a general sense. But again, nothing is clearly black or white. There are exceptions to every generalization. The OP assuming he is not naive should KNOW if this girl is one of low IL or very traditional.Rollo Tomassi said:"Taking things slow" is covert communication for "I have other irons in the fire, and you're not the first best option."
This is the law of diminishing returns; at what point is the yield out-valued by the effort needed to produce it? If you allow yourself to be put into a holding pattern with a "take it slow" woman you will ALWAYS expend more effort than the reward yield if for no other reason than that you are ignoring other, potentially better, opportunities in exchange for your attention.
The "take it slow" methodology capitalizes on a guy's insecurity in that it automatically places him into a constant position of qualifying himself to the woman at the risk of his reputation. In other words, if he doesn't take it slow (i.e forces the issue, pleads his case too emphatically) OR he ejects altogether, he risks becoming who she "fears he really is", a Playah only interested in getting in her panties. However the converse of this is that he wastes his own resources (time, opportunity, attention, money) indefinitely while trying to negotiate desire. Ultimately, assuming there is one, the reward (sex) will never out-value the investment.
In most instances, a guy getting this response is one of multiple options she's entertaining at the time and will conveniently be dismissed if a higher value guy becomes viable for her (i.e. the hot guy in Cancun). In a way this "take it slow" contrivance is a similar, but more manipulative version of the LJBF rejection. In the TIS method there is an implied presumption that a guy "may" qualify for her intimacy IF he can prove himself to be patient and match her set of prerequisites. There is no presumption in an LJBF and the guy simply takes it upon himself that he can qualify if he can only plead his case well enough.
Beware of this rationale, sex is the glue that holds an LTR together. Sex is an integral part of an LTR and if it is established from the outset that a woman's sexuality is conditional and a reward for desired behavior from a man rather than a mutual experience based on mutual desire, this LTR becomes fundamentally compromised.