"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Taking a Girl to the beach but she has a bf
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
donjuanapprentice01
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SleepyRangerMedic82D
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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Yeah, I would do the same, or would pay someone for doing that. But some guys are suicide.SleepyRangerMedic82D said:
SleepyRangerMedic82D
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seriously stay away
Nutz
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My gut instinct is if she was interested in you "that way" then you wouldn't be going to the beach. It'd be to a club and back to your place and she'd be explaining to the bf the next day why she spent the night at your place and how you are "just a friend", which is after she complains to you as you're pounding her out about how her bf is so needy and keeps calling to see where she's at.
Just reading the information available in the DJ bible etc. it comes off to me all is fair when it comes to gaming girls. After all why let a boyfriend you don't know nor give a damn about get in the way of you trying to pickup a chick. There should be no rules as long as her boyfriend isn't your best friend or something. Its the boyfriend and his girls fault that there relationship isn't strong enough to survive a random DJ from interfering. From the boyfriends perspective: don't put blame on the other guy instead put the blame on the girl, she obviously doesn't like you much.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
bukowski_merit
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but i guess it depends on what frame you have her in right now... if it's a friendship frame or a sexual partner frame. because these things have already been established in her head.
Honestly, 5-6 years ago... this board wasn't so "church" like.... and most of those posters are the ones who laid the foundation for what it means to be a "dj" (i do not consider myself that at all). but in recent years - the morale police have taken over here; mostly keyboard jockeys who aren't far removed from being an AFC (who most likely got cheated on themselves, which would explain their bitterness)....DonChino said:
but you are right... threads about cheating and having a lot of girlfriends were much better received back in the day here... there's still plenty of sites out there that don't judge as much as this one though... fast seduction, seduction database, rsd... etc...
^^ Spot on ^^speakeasy said:
Any boyfriend that is gonna fight/kill/jump another dude because his girlfriend cheated on him is a fvcking chump in the first place. If i was the one getting cheated on i'd tell the other guy, " Thanks for showing me that she is a waste of my time."
Oh and please comeback with well maybe he is a chump and he MIGHT do something like that. Well guess what MAYBE she has a stalker also and the stalker MIGHT be thinking of killing her boyfriend because he is a bigger chump than he is. This is a stupid fvcking mindset to have.
Some of you on here need to get with the program. You shouldn't disqualify yourself from a woman just because she has a boyfriend. All you're doing is limiting yourself from getting more plates and potential quality women.
Read the obey your d1ck thread. Your d1ck doesn't care if the slvt has a boyfriend.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
In my personal code of ethics, I do not. The reason is that I want to help my fellow man, not destroy him emotionally by being an ass thief.
Additionally, you need to consider whether or not pursuing a girl with a boyfriend is acting congruently with being a high value guy. A high value guy has an abundance mentality. Is pursuing a girl with a boyfriend coming from a place of abundance or scarcity?
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First off, if the girl is going out with you, you must have something going on to have her to go on a date with you over her bf. Keep her interest up and she'll dump him for you.
You should also know not to act like her friend if you want something to develop.
The best friend waited for something to develop and then WHAM! He got developed!
Your d**k doesn't give a f**k about the girl's bf.
And, TO THE OP, why the f**k are you all worried about beating up the bf? You are insecure even if you do whoop his monkey ass like he owes you money! And that shooting sh*t, don't do it motherf**ker! 20+ years in prison ain't worth a score unless your cellmate bends over in the shower.
You think cuz you're bigger than that dude you're big and bad? Huh? What a jackass! :crackup: That's an Omega male quality you have there. Stop that sh*t. You won't be so big and bad when Five-O brings you to that ground in cuffs.
Seriously, if she really wants her bf, she wouldn't be with you. Act as if you don't need her. And yes, kino unless you wanna spend 20+ years in Platonic Springs, Tennessee.
The girl knows what she's doing by going out with you in the first place! Attraction is not a f**king choice!
Play your cards right!
Hughman
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If you do "the friend thing" you will be in the friendzone. End of story.mtlwlu said:
You have to kino, if you don't, you're in the friendzone. Forget about her having a boyfriend. Treat her like any other woman you're dating.
It's fine to date/have sex with them, just don't get into a relationship with them, as they will cheat on you too.
He should blame her if she cheats (she should either not do it, or end her first relationship), and himself, for not keeping her interested.
If a man can't keep a woman attracted, it's his problem. She'll cheat sooner or later, may as well be with you
Being a DJ isn't just about the craft, it's about the craftsman.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.