"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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marmel75

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Just had a quick question on how you would respond to the following:

Asked an HB9 out, she said "absolutely :)", then told her I was free Weds or Sat night which was better? Responded she needed to check with sitter, can I let you know? I said yeah, that's cool.

This was on Monday, now Thursday and haven't heard from her. Was planning on just waiting til this Monday coming up if I don't hear from her and then tease her about it...

Would you wait or text back before Saturday? Not looking to be one of those lame @ss dudes that acts like he is begging the girl to go out...her IL level was extremely high, gave me her number without me asking, always responds to my texts quickly and has told me she thinks I am good looking and very confident...

Text back or wait?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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fock texting. call her, ask what's up and if she can make it or you should make other plans? if she doesnt pick up, tell her box to give you a quick call. fits the good looking, very confident attribute.

if she doesnt respond to that, well you know what to do.
 

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marmel75 said:
Just had a quick question on how you would respond to the following:

Asked an HB9 out, she said "absolutely :)", then told her I was free Weds or Sat night which was better? Responded she needed to check with sitter, can I let you know? I said yeah, that's cool.

This was on Monday, now Thursday and haven't heard from her. Was planning on just waiting til this Monday coming up if I don't hear from her and then tease her about it...

Would you wait or text back before Saturday? Not looking to be one of those lame @ss dudes that acts like he is begging the girl to go out...her IL level was extremely high, gave me her number without me asking, always responds to my texts quickly and has told me she thinks I am good looking and very confident...

Text back or wait?
Be careful bro, sounds like she's laying it on real thick.

I would text back. What if your friend called you up and said he has two tickets to the baseball game on Saturday evening and he needed to know by the end of the day. You would have to get back to him, right? Just text her and say: "I have yet to hear back from you, can you let me know if Saturday works?"

Waiting until Monday and then busting her balls is pointless.
 

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So I think you made a couple mistakes.

1.) You gave her options of days. This gives her control up front. Usually it's best to choose a day and stick with it, hard. I also like to present them with a hard time as well. This way, if you say you want to meet on Saturday at 9, she can come back at you with a better counter, and you're more likely to receive a hard counter from her.

2.) You tried to arrange a date (Saturday) that is potentially 5 days prior to the actual date. If you give them too much time in between, they are wayyyyy more likely to flake. Think about it, you invite her out 5 days earlier, and 4 days later she gets invited to a justin bieber concert or some sh!t. I ask two days in advance, three at the earliest. If I want to see a chick on Thursday, she gets asked Tuesday. Saturday, she gets asked Thursday. You see my point.

If I were you, I'd call her up when you're pretty busy and ask her if she's free Saturday night. Like say you are going to a happy hour tomorrow or something, right before you go in you can call her. You'll be in a "loose rush" which isn't feigned, and if she honestly says no you can brush it off and go in with your buddies and hit on some other girls. Keep the conversation light and friendly, not to worry about rejection.

If you let it go until Monday...at least to me...it seems like bringing it up then will cause her to think you were thinking about it all weekend. Like "why didn't she want to come hang out? I'm going to bust her up on Monday."

Give her a second chance. But man, this aint baseball, it's two strikes and you're out with a DJ.
 

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^i agree with previous poster. also it also came across like you have a lot of free time on your hands which screams you dont have many options with girls. you demonstrated lower value. being pre-selected by other girls is a huge attraction switch. you also put way too much value on the day itself. as far as first dates i try to stay away from weekend nights. 2 reasons, one thats my time to game and meet new girls. and 2 thats probably what she's going to do too. unless you built 100% solid attraction when you met, she's not gonna blow off girls night out to hang out with some random guy she just met. she's knows she's gonna do girls night out, and be hit on 20 times and get to pick and choose who she likes.

build up an even before you ask for her number, it doesnt matter if she flakes, your going to go regardless. remember you are inviting her to tag along. otherwise happy hour during the week.
 

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She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Don't proceed - you're married
 

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marmel75 said:
Responded she needed to check with sitter, can I let you know? I said yeah, that's cool.
So she has a kid?? Hot or not, she should be grateful any dude still wants to f uck with her. You have the option of a chick with NO kids.
 

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Blackmm said:
So she has a kid?? Hot or not, she should be grateful any dude still wants to f uck with her. You have the option of a chick with NO kids.
Just looking to hit it, not anything serious. Kinda perfect, lives an hour away, no chance of screwing up anything here.

Today's exchange:

Me: Hey Rachael, haven't heard back from you...we still good for tomorrow or should I make other plans?

Her: I'm sorry. My girlfriend flew in from out of town Tuesday and surprised me. Getting my nails done right now. Will txt u in a few.

Me: its cool...have fun with your friend, we can reschedule for sometime next week...

Her: Thank u. I had every intention of telling u as soon as I heard from u, but I haven't talked to u in 2 days?

Me: been really busy...hit me up on Monday and we can figure something out...cool?

Her: OK


Guess its possible, I took it as a flake but played it cool...she prob wont hit me up Monday sinshe never initiates texting, so likely I will need a plan of action if I hit her up Tuesday to try and set something up Wednesday(only days I have enough time to meet up would be weds or sat). Just need to get her out wuthme, I am fairly lethal face to face :)
 

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Purefilth said:
Don't proceed - you're married
This coming from a guy calling himself PureFilth...
 

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thevilittletroll said:
^i agree with previous poster. also it also came across like you have a lot of free time on your hands which screams you dont have many options with girls. you demonstrated lower value. being pre-selected by other girls is a huge attraction switch. you also put way too much value on the day itself. as far as first dates i try to stay away from weekend nights. 2 reasons, one thats my time to game and meet new girls. and 2 thats probably what she's going to do too. unless you built 100% solid attraction when you met, she's not gonna blow off girls night out to hang out with some random guy she just met. she's knows she's gonna do girls night out, and be hit on 20 times and get to pick and choose who she likes.

build up an even before you ask for her number, it doesnt matter if she flakes, your going to go regardless. remember you are inviting her to tag along. otherwise happy hour during the week.


This is money advice right here.

I disagree with Sosuave666's 1st point. Most girls aren't going to be gushing with absolute high interest right off the bat, so giving the girl a couple options of when you are free is the smart way to get her out. The goal at this point is to get a date and get her out. Once she is clearly hooked, then yeah setting hard dates like "lets hang out Tuesday @10" will work well.


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Secondly there is nothing wrong with hitting her up to find out what the deal is about Saturday. A lot of guys here follow everything they read to a T and honestly is taking it too far. Remember these are guidelines, not absolutes and they are guidelines intended to help re-wire chumps brain's who had no clue game existed. Don't forget women WANT TO BE PURSUED. That doesn't mean chase, or being needy; but they want to FEEL like you like them as well.

I also agree that if you wait til Monday it makes you look like you were thinking about it all weekend. On one hand all she might be waiting for is for you to hit her up and she will be down to go out, which might come from her own insecurity as being a single mother and thinking "does this guy really like me?"

Sosuave has a tendency to make women seem like they play the game perfect. That is far from the truth, if anything the average girl is TERRIBLE @ throwing down game.

Hit her up and ask if she's still up to go out on Saturday because you have a couple other offers on the table and wanted to check with her before accepting.







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Realize I should have played this a little differently...too late now to change it, but I will approach it from the standpoint of if you are presented with a great opportunity and make the wrong choice the first time, I expect you to learn from your mistake and make a better choice the next time because there are other options and they will figure out a way to make time for me because they realize I'm worth it.

Probably wont say it exactly like that but will let her know I don't meet women to be text buddies with them and she better get her act together if she doesn't want to miss out. Other than that I'll just delete her number and move on. I don't play the chump role anymore.
 

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marmel75 said:
Me: Hey Rachael, haven't heard back from you...we still good for tomorrow or should I make other plans?

Her: I'm sorry. My girlfriend flew in from out of town Tuesday and surprised me. Getting my nails done right now. Will txt u in a few.

Me: its cool...have fun with your friend, we can reschedule for sometime next week...

Her: Thank u. I had every intention of telling u as soon as I heard from u, but I haven't talked to u in 2 days?

Me: been really busy...hit me up on Monday and we can figure something out...cool?

Her: OK
You've already rejected yourself and fed her ego to boot.

As soon as she says "will txt in a few" she has to power to decide when she wants to text you and how.

I would have said "I have to let my friend know in the next 30 min, can you let me now?"

You guys have to assume someone else always wants an answer from you, never pretend you are the boss otherwise they will make your head spin, make you vulnerable all while inflating their ego.
 

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You've already rejected yourself and fed her ego to boot.

As soon as she says "will txt in a few" she has to power to decide when she wants to text you and how.

I would have said "I have to let my friend know in the next 30 min, can you let me now?"

You guys have to assume someone else always wants an answer from you, never pretend you are the boss otherwise they will make your head spin, make you vulnerable all while inflating their ego.
Yeah, I realize I f'd that one up pretty bad...recovery ideas?
 

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Got a meetup with an HB8 tonight who after some texting has already told me she thinks I am really cute, and then the conversation got to working out and it went something like this:

Me: We can workout together sometime...it will be fun getting all hot and sweaty together, lol ;-)

Her: Hahahahaha, I would love a workout partner.

Me: Well, I don't know if you would be able to handle seeing me in my gym shirts...you might be a little....distracted.

Her: Oh my...lol maybe ;)

Her:f you have my full attention and I saw you like that, we probably wouldn't make it back to the house without me F'in your brains out...haha

Me: Lol, I better bring my whistle when we meet up tomorrow, then...


Girl obviously looking to get some and I am about to oblige her ;) she already told me her kids will be at theit grandparents house tonight, and we are going to be at a bar near her house, so I am assuming she is giving me a heads up on that one...
 

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marmel75 said:
This coming from a guy calling himself PureFilth...
yup, but i'm not married.
Im young, free and single. so I can game on and fvck hb's

you made a commitment to a woman, married her impregnated her - twice.

Now youre bored of the dried up used husk of a woman, and care so little for her and the children she bore you that you wont even do the decent thing here.

Which is of course to give her a divorce - then you'll be commitment free and I wont give a ****. but i will never advocate that cheating is good, or give help in the knowledge that the recipient of this will use it to cheat.:moon:

And its a SCREEN-NAME genius.
 
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

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Wow this guy is married, his marriege must be so ****ty hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhaaaaaaahhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa.
 

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Trump said:
As soon as she says "will txt in a few" she has to power to decide when she wants to text you and how.
I want to disagree with this because she could quite easily have simply not replied until she'd finished with her nails.
I don't see that as a bytch move and it might show she actually cares enough to let the OP know why her response will be delayed.

But another part of me thinks maybe she's trying to show that her nails are more important than than the OP.
Interesting.
 
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