“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Successfully Approaching Women at Work (General Public Workers)

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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I work in hospitals. I want to warn you all against expecting a hot 20 something nurse to stay hot into her 30s or 40s. No sir. That job takes its toll on them.
There are actually quite a few hot 20 something nurses.

But I do agree that that type of lifestyle or workstyle could be a huge source of stress. Aren't they working 12 hour shifts?

The main thing I've noticed among nurses and among medical workers in general is how FAT they are. They're supposed to have some degree of knowledge about HEALTH and yet they are among the fattest demographic that I've seen.
 

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There are actually quite a few hot 20 something nurses.

But I do agree that that type of lifestyle or workstyle could be a huge source of stress. Aren't they working 12 hour shifts?

The main thing I've noticed among nurses and among medical workers in general is how FAT they are. They're supposed to have some degree of knowledge about HEALTH and yet they are among the fattest demographic that I've seen.
That is the issue. They gain weight. The reason why is somewhat understandable. They work 12 hour shifts and have a 30 minute lunch where they don't have enough time to eat healthy. Then there the jealous older ones who make sure to undermine the figure of the hot 25 year old nurse. "Say it ain't so?", you may say. Well, I saw a department with 5 hot young nurses and a few older ones. One of the older ones had bags of candy for everyone.
She made sure that pretty little blond was stuffing fer face with twix candy.
 

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The idea of approaching women while they are at their jobs containing interaction with the general public is a topic that is somewhat contentious among men.

When I think of women who work with the general public, these are the categories that come to mind of women to approach.

Strippers: Almost every man wants to bang a stripper.
Breastaurant Workers: For those not aware, breastaurants are the Hooters and Twin Peaks type restaurants.
Bartenders
Waitresses at Conventional Sit Down Restaurants
Coffee Shop Baristas/Fast Food Workers:
The women who work at independent coffee shops and Starbucks can be attractive. I've never seen a hottie at Dunkin' Donuts. I've also never seen a hottie at McDonald's, Wendy's, and the like. If you are a hottie, you tend to find better employment than McDonald's.
Gym Personal Trainers or other gym staffers: A hot PT is a big turn on.
Real Estate Agents
Hotel and Retail Workers:
This would tend to happen more for higher end retail workers than women who work at Walmart, Target, or a supermarket chain. Nordstrom's workers can be attractive. Hotels often have hotties working as staffers. Las Vegas hotels/casinos are known for this, but it can also in some bigger tourist destinations.
Healthcare Workers: It is a pretty common scenario to find an attractive woman as a nurse or medical assistant at a medical office or hospital. Dental hygienists at the dentist's office are common hotties. Years ago, when my grandmother died, I went to the assisted living facility where she died right after her death to help family members clean out her unit. There was a hot nurse/medical assistant there. My grandmother lived in another state not nearby and I was only in the city for a few days and did not have logistics. I also had a girlfriend at home at the time. There was a bit of a flirty vibe there. My cousin, who was in a declining marriage at the time, and local probably could have tried it. I think guys in their 20s/30s visiting their grandparents in facilities can hit on workers there, or guys in their 40s/early 50s with their declining parents.
Teachers/College Professors/School Staff: I'm not a parent, but I could see a scenario where a single dad might be interested in his kid's teacher or maybe a different teacher in the same school he meets in the hallway for parent-teacher conferences. An even better scenario might be a single uncle meeting his niece's/nephew's teacher at a school play or other elementary school type event, though single uncles rarely would attend such an event. A lot of younger undergrad men will be interested in their older woman college professor, TA, or other instructor.

I've generally believed in not hitting on women at work. It's ideal to meet women who work with the public in settings outside of work. Sometimes, that is not feasible though. If you are at the dentist and spot a hot dental hygienist, you should probably make a move then and there. Besides, you're not in the dentist's office much.

I had the holy grail experience in this happen to me while in college. I was playing pickup basketball and one night a stripper joined us. I got her number, we went out once. I tried to get her to bang. She didn't bang that night, and then eventually flaked. This flaking was special because it happened years before the first iPhone was released. Flaking was not as common in the pre-smartphone era.

I'd like to read some stories about these experiences and I think we can have a really good chat around it.
Ive done women in all of those aforementioned categories except gym trainers. Healthcare workers don’t count for me since I myself am in Healthcare so I’ve never done a nurse while being a patient. Which I’m assuming you’re narrative is in the customer angle

Anyways, it’s possible and fun. Strippers tho cost a lot of money to get them to go out with you. You’ll have to see her atleast a few times in the club or you can expedite it by doing a VIP room so there’s more touching and intimacy. Either way ends up costing.

I banged my Real estate broker. But that cost me the price of the house I bought from her. LOL. So not really cheap.

the other categories I think are fine.
 

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Healthcare workers don’t count for me since I myself am in Healthcare so I’ve never done a nurse while being a patient. Which I’m assuming you’re narrative is in the customer angle
I was referring to being a medical patient and interacting with a nurse, medical assistant, dental hygienist/assistant, doctor, dentist, physical therapist, or psychologist/psychotherapist.

If you've never worked in dentistry, you've likely been to the dentist before and interacted with a hygienist while being a patient.

I banged my Real estate broker. But that cost me the price of the house I bought from her. LOL. So not really cheap.
That is impressive that you banged your real estate agent who was your agent as a homebuyer.
 

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I was referring to being a medical patient and interacting with a nurse, medical assistant, dental hygienist/assistant, doctor, dentist, physical therapist, or psychologist/psychotherapist.

If you've never worked in dentistry, you've likely been to the dentist before and interacted with a hygienist while being a patient.



That is impressive that you banged your real estate agent who was your agent as a homebuyer.
it’s one of those things that is cool as a story to tell. The actual lay itself wasn’t anything too impressive. She was a big marijuana smoker and so her lips tasted like ash when I was kissing her. Kinda a turnoff for me.
 

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I was playing pickup basketball and one night a stripper joined us.
How did that happen?
The stripper was also a college student who was on campus. Many strippers are also college students. There were designated times at the campus gym for pickup basketball games and an attractive female stripper joined one night.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

Read more...

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The idea of approaching women while they are at their jobs containing interaction with the general public is a topic that is somewhat contentious among men.

When I think of women who work with the general public, these are the categories that come to mind of women to approach.

Gym Personal Trainers or other gym staffers

I've generally believed in not hitting on women at work. It's ideal to meet women who work with the public in settings outside of work. Sometimes, that is not feasible though.
Story time....

There was a time I went to a fitness class. It was a cycling/spin class. It not a well attended class that day and the few women that attended the class that day weren't that attractive and left before I could approach. Maybe one was worth an approach. That day, I got into a long-ish conversation with the class instructor. She was attractive, high level cute but not super hot. Around a 7 and she might have had a "Queen's 7" attitude (Thanks to @EyeBRollin and @CornbreadFed for teaching me that term). She would have been an impressive get. Most men would be glad to introduce of a woman of her looks level to their friends. . She had a basic White woman look.

The initial post-class conversation was somewhere between 5-10 minutes. It was going well so I asked her out on a drinks date. She said she would like to go but was already in a relationship and she'd be fine going as friends. I told her that I don't do that sort of arrangement and she said she understood. I know my value and that sort of arrangement is unfair to me.

The primary reason I made an attempt on her was because there were no other options that day and she was attractive/interesting.

It was worth the attempt. A lot of men wouldn't have made the attempt. Her claimed relationship may have been fictional. I didn't use the boyfriend destroyer lines on her because it was my gym and there was potential I'd see her again and go to that class. Had I received that excuse in a mall or grocery store, I would have used a boyfriend destroyer line. I have used boyfriend destroyer lines and recommend their use as much as possible.

The actual lay itself wasn’t anything too impressive. She was a big marijuana smoker and so her lips tasted like ash when I was kissing her. Kinda a turnoff for me.
That doesn't sound like an impressive lay. I can identify with why you felt turned off. Ash tasting lips sound bad.
 
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Nurses are bad because that field of work attracts masculine boss babe energy types
First thing Rich Cooper does is take a shvt on Nurses lol.
The perception of nurses has changed a lot in recent decades. Nurses in the Baby Boomer and predecessor generations were considered good potential long term mates with numerous feminine and supportive characteristics.

This started to change with Generation X nurses. By the time that Millennial nurses started entering the profession in the 2000s, that good stereotype of nurses was rapidly changing. Millennial nurses have spent the last 15-20 years giving nurses a bad name in the mating environment.

I want to warn you all against expecting a hot 20 something nurse to stay hot into her 30s or 40s. No sir. That job takes its toll on them.
They gain weight. The reason why is somewhat understandable. They work 12 hour shifts and have a 30 minute lunch where they don't have enough time to eat healthy.
This tends to happen to 30s/40s married nurses. These 30s/40s married nurses often have 1 or more children.

Women can make lunch at home, take it to the workplace, and eat it there. They can eat healthy doing that.
 

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There was a time I went to a fitness class. It was a cycling/spin class. It not a well attended class that day and the few women that attended the class that day weren't that attractive and left before I could approach. Maybe one was worth an approach. That day, I got into a long-ish conversation with the class instructor. She was attractive, high level cute but not super hot. Around a 7 and she might have had a "Queen's 7" attitude (Thanks to @EyeBRollin and @CornbreadFed for teaching me that term). She would have been an impressive get. Most men would be glad to introduce of a woman of her looks level to their friends. . She had a basic White woman look.

The initial post-class conversation was somewhere between 5-10 minutes. It was going well so I asked her out on a drinks date. She said she would like to go but was already in a relationship and she'd be fine going as friends. I told her that I don't do that sort of arrangement and she said she understood. I know my value and that sort of arrangement is unfair to me.

The primary reason I made an attempt on her was because there were no other options that day and she was attractive/interesting.

It was worth the attempt. A lot of men wouldn't have made the attempt. Her claimed relationship may have been fictional. I didn't use the boyfriend destroyer lines on her because it was my gym and there was potential I'd see her again and go to that class. Had I received that excuse in a mall or grocery store, I would have used a boyfriend destroyer line.
Update to this story:

That fitness class occurred at my primary gym. I think I had made that clear in that post but it's worth mentioning again here. I have mentioned on other threads that I will often take fitness classes at standalone secondary facilities to gain exposure with a new/different set of women.

I never took a class with that specific instructor again and she stopped working at my primary gym not long after that story happened.

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In general, I do not recommend hitting on attractive fitness class instructors at any fitness class that you may attend.

Use the fitness classes to hit on class attendees. It can be worth having a short conversation with a class instructor at a time when none of the attendees are open to being approached. The focus at every fitness class should be setting up first dates with class attendees.

It might be worth hitting on the class instructor if she gives very obvious, very clear indicators of interest (IOIs). Most fitness class instructors won't do this. There's an outside chance one will do this if you are a very top tier Giga Chad. Outside of very top tier men on physique, they won't tend to do this. Most will typically have a boyfriend or husband at any given moment.

If you happen to see a fitness class instructor from a class you've taken at a bar, grocery store, or other non-bar venue, it's fair game to hit on her in that venue. I've never had this happen to me but it is possible.

I was at one fitness class and I overheard the instructor talking with a female class attendee about how she has used dating apps and she's had terrible experiences on them. Since the instructor was an attractive, childless 30 year old at the moment of this conversation, it seems like that instructor had primarily been riding the penis carousel on apps but not getting commitments from top tier guys while also turning down hordes of mid-tier men.

Most fitness classes are female instructors with mainly female class attendees so some instructors will become friends with their female class attendees.
 

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Update to this story:

That fitness class occurred at my primary gym. I think I had made that clear in that post but it's worth mentioning again here. I have mentioned on other threads that I will often take fitness classes at standalone secondary facilities to gain exposure with a new/different set of women.

I never took a class with that specific instructor again and she stopped working at my primary gym not long after that story happened.
Update to the update.

Within the last 6-8 weeks, I took a fitness class with her because she's teaching classes at my primary gym again. I don't think she remembered that incident from years earlier. I acted like nothing happened. It was only minimally awkward for me.

As said when I first told the story, I don't like to hit on fitness class instructors. There was one class where I made an attempt on her was because there were no other options that day and she was attractive/interesting.

I was at one fitness class and I overheard the instructor talking with a female class attendee about how she has used dating apps and she's had terrible experiences on them. Since the instructor was an attractive, childless 30 year old at the moment of this conversation, it seems like that instructor had primarily been riding the penis carousel on apps but not getting commitments from top tier guys while also turning down hordes of mid-tier men.
This happened at a standalone, secondary fitness facility where I only attended for a short period.

I have never run into this fitness instructor in any bar or daygame venue. In a big USA city, it's difficult to randomly run into someone after a failed first date or failed approach.

I never approached this fitness instructor when I took her class. I was too busy doing the right thing and trying to hit on class attendees.

I would approach her if I saw her at a bar or daygame venue. That inside information I had would be helpful.
 

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The initial post-class conversation was somewhere between 5-10 minutes. It was going well so I asked her out on a drinks date. She said she would like to go but was already in a relationship and she'd be fine going as friends. I told her that I don't do that sort of arrangement and she said she understood. I know my value and that sort of arrangement is unfair to me.
I would have said:

“Your boyfriend is OK with you going out with male fitness class friends for one on one drinks?”

The primary reason I made an attempt on her was because there were no other options that day and she was attractive/interesting.
I would say it was because she was attractive, full stop. Interesting? Come on,
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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“Your boyfriend is OK with you going out with male fitness class friends for one on one drinks?”
I didn't want to push it too hard with a class instructor. I'm at fitness classes to meet attendees, not hit on instructors.

I have free classes with my existing gym. The quality of class attendees there is not as good as some standalone fitness studios. I will occasionally go to those standalone studios to meet different women. Also, the actual classes are often better at these standalone studios.

I would say it was because she was attractive, full stop. Interesting? Come on,
Her physical attractiveness was the reason I talked to her that day, combined with the fact that the attendee pool was weak that day.

It was a decent conversation and she was interesting enough in that conversation in the moment. It has been multiple years since that incident so I can't remember any details about it.
 

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Dental hygienists at the dentist's office are common hotties.
I wanted to update this thread with specific information about the possibility of seduction at the dentist's office.

At a dentist's office, there are...

1. Dental hygienists
2. Dental assistants
3. Administrative staff
4. Dentists

At a regular dental appointment, a typical patient has the most contact with a dental hygienist, who cleans their teeth, takes gum measurements, etc.

A dental assistant is someone who works alongside a dentist in performing more complex dental procedures. The only time a patient ever sees this person is when they are having some sort of procedure done that isn't their usual 6 month cleaning/X-ray/exam appointment.

The vast majority of hygienists and assistants are women. In the USA, it is around 95% female in these two occupations.

It might be worth shooting your shot at the dental office with the hygienist and assistant, but would not be a good idea to hit on the dentist at the office. Additionally, most female dentists are likely married. I can envision a 40+ year old divorcee dentist though.

With the hygienist, regularly scheduled dental appointments are only every 6 months in most cases. She may have changed jobs by the next scheduled appointment or you could change dentists by then. Additionally, there's about zero probability of seeing her in public at some bar or in a non-bar setting in a larger city. With the hygienist, the patient gets the most exposure to her and the longest conversation option. He might be able to assess if she's single and available. IOIs would likely be rare for most men, but shooting a shot on a hygienist without IOIs could be worth the risk.

Dental assistants are usually not alone with dental patients. It would be quite difficult to hit on a dental assistant in an office setting, but it might be possible. If the timing is right or a man is really bold, he could hit on a dental assistant before/after a procedure. It would probably be best on a minor procedure, such as the removal of a benign cyst. I would only recommend an assistant if there are major IOIs and most men are unlikely to experience this.

The administrative staff at the front of the dental practice would be a lot like retail workers, restaurant workers, or baristas. I'm sure some get hit on every so often. I would also only recommend this with IOIs. Most of these women are busy in dealing with patients, phone calls, and emails. Getting enough time to make a good approach here would be difficult.

Female dentists have gotten more common over time. Some men might find their female dentist physically attractive. In general, a female dentist have the least feminine personality traits compared to the hygienists and assistants. She might be a ball of stress too, especially if she operates her own practice vs. just being an associate dentist working under other dentists who own/operate the practice. That's not good for interactions, especially longer term. Female dentists make good money in most cases and that could be appealing. I don't see it being fun being in an LTR or being married to a feminist-careerist dentist.

I had interest in 2 dental hygienists at a previous dentist. Both happened to mention existing relationships the first time that I was in their chair at regular cleaning/X-ray/exam type appointments. One had gotten engaged a few weeks before I was assigned to her the first time.

I'm sure an attractive dental hygienist gets date offers from dental patients regularly. Most might mention existing relationships as a preventive measure to reduce approaches.

I have never found myself attracted to admin staff member at any dentist's office. I don't remember any attractive assistants on my relatively minor procedures over time.

Has anyone on this forum had experience with seduction at the dentist's office?

@Mike32ct mentioned having a good conversational dynamic with one married hygienist once. It was a good story.

I am planning to do more deeper examinations on some other specific professions I mentioned when I first started the thread in 2020. There's opportunity for this thread to blossom.
 
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