ApocalypticBroccoli
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Imagine a gigachad (gigadon?) who speaks with a lisp, and how he perceives interactions with women.
That's an exaggeration of my situation.
I'm not a don juan, or a gigachad, or even a chad. But I get strong eye contact from like 80% of the women I'm attracted to. In situations where talking is inappropriate (libraries, bookstores, etc) I routinely end up in extended mirroring/body-language flirts. Women follow me around the gym. I'm really, really good at vibing without speaking.
Unfortunately once I start talking to them, that 80% drops to somewhere around 20%, and I'm getting numbers from less than 10%. The longer I talk to them before asking the worse my results are! I'm pretty sure it's something about the way I talk or my voice. I don't speak with a lisp or have any speech impediments. No accent either; I live in the US and grew up in a region known for having "no accent / neutral accent".
Any ideas on how to narrow down what the problem is? Hypotheses+tests welcome.
I don't use canned openers/lines, except on very rare occasions when it's the only way to avoid breaking the three-second rule. Pretty much every approach is context-dependent, although if I'm lazy or can't come up with anything I'll just say "hi, my name is <name>" and look into her eyes until she replies. This works surprisingly well. But after that it's all downhill.
I'm particularly curious to know if it's something about my voice. I don't have a deep voice but it's not high-pitched either; I'm a tenor and Vocular says I sound like a mix of Johnny Depp and Robert Downy Jr (sounds plausible). I am casually interested in voice-deepening interventions and can afford them but I'd like to know if the benefit will be worth the risks.
I'm past the age where nightclubs are an option, and besides if I have to shout in order for people to hear me I'd rather just dance than try to get laid. And I'm much better at daygame anyways. So bars/clubs with loud music probably aren't a great tool for diagnosing my situation.
Originally posted this on reddit to r/seduction. Discussion got derailed into a debate between autistic guys about autism (literally). Although I'm an intellectual and not a smooth talker or quick witted, eye contact is my strong suit and I can ramble comfortably through any awkward silences -- or create tension with purposeful silence. I have compassion for autistic dudes, but the solutions to their problems are not going to be helpful to me.
PS, this is my first post here, so: big thanks and (as always) much respect to Don Tomassi for mentioning this place. You're a hero, Rollo. You've changed so many lives.
That's an exaggeration of my situation.
I'm not a don juan, or a gigachad, or even a chad. But I get strong eye contact from like 80% of the women I'm attracted to. In situations where talking is inappropriate (libraries, bookstores, etc) I routinely end up in extended mirroring/body-language flirts. Women follow me around the gym. I'm really, really good at vibing without speaking.
Unfortunately once I start talking to them, that 80% drops to somewhere around 20%, and I'm getting numbers from less than 10%. The longer I talk to them before asking the worse my results are! I'm pretty sure it's something about the way I talk or my voice. I don't speak with a lisp or have any speech impediments. No accent either; I live in the US and grew up in a region known for having "no accent / neutral accent".
Any ideas on how to narrow down what the problem is? Hypotheses+tests welcome.
I don't use canned openers/lines, except on very rare occasions when it's the only way to avoid breaking the three-second rule. Pretty much every approach is context-dependent, although if I'm lazy or can't come up with anything I'll just say "hi, my name is <name>" and look into her eyes until she replies. This works surprisingly well. But after that it's all downhill.
I'm particularly curious to know if it's something about my voice. I don't have a deep voice but it's not high-pitched either; I'm a tenor and Vocular says I sound like a mix of Johnny Depp and Robert Downy Jr (sounds plausible). I am casually interested in voice-deepening interventions and can afford them but I'd like to know if the benefit will be worth the risks.
I'm past the age where nightclubs are an option, and besides if I have to shout in order for people to hear me I'd rather just dance than try to get laid. And I'm much better at daygame anyways. So bars/clubs with loud music probably aren't a great tool for diagnosing my situation.
Originally posted this on reddit to r/seduction. Discussion got derailed into a debate between autistic guys about autism (literally). Although I'm an intellectual and not a smooth talker or quick witted, eye contact is my strong suit and I can ramble comfortably through any awkward silences -- or create tension with purposeful silence. I have compassion for autistic dudes, but the solutions to their problems are not going to be helpful to me.
PS, this is my first post here, so: big thanks and (as always) much respect to Don Tomassi for mentioning this place. You're a hero, Rollo. You've changed so many lives.
