Submitting......the single most important factor

[Glassguy]

i do hope you are actually joking. You MUST be one of the incels that think secs is "nice" and gentle. The very act of being "penetrated" is aggression and submission.
Ever hear of soap on a rope? Why?

Because someone will kindly come bend over and pick it up for you? Roflmao.

You sir don't understand a lot of things about nature.

How about when she says "take me"
She must mean take me but let me peg you after you fck me. Lol

Do you have a reading disability? Cause you cant read my posts for ahyte and come up with this off the wall stuff from what I post?????

Women will fvck and NOT be submissive. They will vanish after on some guys. Sex doesnt matter to a lot of women in terms of submission.

Case and point: lots of women have ONS and then ghost the guy. You're saying she "submitted"??? What tf is wrong with you? Seriously.......you're on ignore. I can't even read your bullsyte anymore because it so out in left field.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I know the feeling.

It was your thread. Your post. Own it.

Your definition of submissive is what? Explain it to us.
You OP are a card short of a full deck.

Lets take an escort.
She is fcking you. Submitting to your dik. Why? Dollars.
You have money and she wants it so she is SUBMITTING HER puzzy which is her decision to do so.
By submitting she does this.

Definition of SUBMITTING

accept or yield to a superior force or to the authority or will of another person.

By implication she is doing what when you penetrate her?

Lol who can't read?
You sir dont understand women let alone what secs actually is....
The act of secs Glass is "uncomfortable" by nature it is dominance/ submission.

Let me guess you are the guy who "asks" for secs. Even Ozzy Osbourne does such bafoonery.
So what submission?
Cooking? Cleaning? Coming home to you? Giving you money? Accolade?

Or is it her soft fcking vagina spread eagle to except your dik?
Ive had escorts before bro and even they submit. Clown show is over

Escorts do it for the money. It's quite different emotionally vs a woman who WANTED you inside her, wanted you to be the man having that.

 

[ubercat]

Whoever s saying it lads it's worth saying. Great post OP and @stringpuller I really liked the way you said that "Is she growing and including you in her life experience?"

It's about mindshare and defaults. The sweet spot is when she can't wait to share new things in her life with you. If instead you feel like she s playing side games and has one eye on the BBD then it's time to take the trash out. It's team us against the world or draft season.

As an old man I m allowed to be repetitive. Women need socialisation, pampering, rest, variety, shared projects and a tiny bit of romance. You have to keep your side up too.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

You can label it for the money or not. But the idiot who doesnt see this as submission is a dumbazz. Its STILL submission to SOMETHING.
You guys and your romanticism is what the issue is. GLASS is a romantic boy and those who follow this way of thinking are the same. There is no middle here. Whether you think so or not.

She submitted her flesh, but did not submit her mind. She can submit that flesh, and in her mind hate you and belittle you very powerfully... If that is you only form of sex, you will be degraded vs having women who WANTED to give themselves to you.

The escort that submits to the 250$ is the same women who is the ONS in vegas with no payment.
End result is SUBMISSION OF THE FLESH. Idiots lol

I agree. That same escort that opened her body to you for $250, is one who opened her body to someone else for FREE because she DESIRED him there. You cannot pay for DESIRE. And a DESIRED man is a very attractive man.

There is a difference in looks from a man who has to pay for sex vs one where sex is rewarded to him for being himself.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Women today can fvck with no emotional strings attached.

Is this because they’re all hoes in one way or another and can’t pair-bond or because they’re simply just not able to anymore for reasons outside of that?

 

[ubercat]

@stringpuller I think you're right but also that's an oversimplification. You re debating the words not the spirit of the post. There s different levels of submission. I m sure every guy here has had a gf give him a goodbye fvck on the day she left. Or an in out on off relationship. If she s not submitting emotionally it s just adult fun for sh1ts and giggles.

 

[ubercat]

Ah I see we crossed posts. @ImTheDoubleGreatest! The brutal truth is every man alive is descended from some woman who opened her legs after the men of her tribe were killed by the invaders. If you want loyalty you can't mine it with your d1ck.

 

[ubercat]

Ok so I ll bite. Take a guy like me - average Joe not good looking not hideous not rich not poor ok shape but no six pack couple of handfuls of friends in various places but no local celebrity. Been in LTRs most of my life. If it's not the emotional side why do they stick around?

Btw I did turn down the goodbye fvck several times. My point was physical submission doesn't mean much thats just what's on the ROM.

 

[ubercat]

Agree. But all relationships r transactional to some extent. If your sweet little church girl becomes a land whale you're not going to hang around. LTRs work on averages. Sometimes she s a b1tch sometimes you're a d1ck. If on average everyone's getting their needs met it has legs.

Asian girls have been a revelation because they're so honest about their needs. And realistic about what they bring to the table. I ve told my gf many times I ve fired chicks for trying to collect tax with their pvssies. She 100%agrees. I think it goes back to culture. They know that nothing works without polarity.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Agree. But all relationships r transactional to some extent. If your sweet little church girl becomes a land whale you're not going to hang around. LTRs work on averages. Sometimes she s a b1tch sometimes you're a d1ck. If on average everyone's getting their needs met it has legs.

Asian girls have been a revelation because they're so honest about their needs. And realistic about what they bring to the table. I ve told my gf many times I ve fired chicks for trying to collect tax with their pvssies. She 100%agrees. I think it goes back to culture. They know that nothing works without polarity.

If that land whale was the only puzzy left in your environment and your alternative was gay or jagging off, you better be stabbing that landwhale in her puzzy, throat and azzz.

 

[Roober]

Would you think that a changing amount of submission or power shift is indicative of the health of the relationship?

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Would you think that a changing amount of submission or power shift is indicative of the health of the relationship?

Yes

 

[Pandora]

Key word you said "emotion" women are emotional Glass.

Here let me give you the short version.
You are the gender that your fleshy member gets ROCK HARD and you stab the other gender thst has MOIST SOFT FLESH. And you are going to tell me there is no submission in the above said?? Ok do us an experiment.
Go to jail and Let Tyone the jail bird slam his meat in your azz bud after trying to fight him off and then come back and write us a breakdown of how submission/dominance plays a role in secs lol.
You cant make this shyt up... no wonder women are losing their fckn minds these days

Stringpuller no disrespect intended....but you are incorrect when referring to TODAYS dating market. You were correct about 25 yrs ago.

Any man that routinely dates women in their early 20's would not say that women submit when they have sex with you. Yes their body wants to submit when you smash them well. But these girls have a few factors that allow them to negate that natural bonding mechanism.

1.) These girls have been doing nasty sex acts since they were 16 yrs old. Their body counts are at least 40+ minimum. By this time your bonding mechanism is all worn out.

2.) Feminism has indoctrinated them a lot. It told them that feelings are not good and that men are disposable. I once had a young feminist literally in front of me start chanting that " diyk is abundant and low value". She kept repeating that phrase...it was creepy ( this was after I fu*ked her brains out). It was from this feminist article making its rounds on the internet that was telling women to reclaim their power in the dating market by having tons of casual sex. Treat men disposable because you were hurt.

3.) Women tend to disassociate during sex. I've dated girls that escorted on the side. The emotionally numb ones can compartmentalize sex. In fact after having sex with you they will often start to resent you. This is because they have a lot of trauma associated with sex. This is like how strippers start to resent men after a few years at the job.

 

[Georgepithyou]

Exactly, very good thread.

Until you make a woman truly submit to you, she will not respect you one bit. If you allow her to rebel she will lose attraction.

A man must lead

 

[Glassguy]

She submitted her flesh, but did not submit her mind. She can submit that flesh, and in her mind hate you and belittle you very powerfully... If that is you only form of sex, you will be degraded vs having women who WANTED to give themselves to you.

Well said. And 100% true.

 

[lamath]

You want them to submits thier will to you.
Sex is not submission, it is a tool for lots of women.
Sex can be use to keep you as a man, to take advantage of your ressource l, to make you comit etc....

Biologically humans are one of the few species where women have sex for other reason than procreation, the theory on this is mate retention for when they are in thier fertile phase.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Well said. And 100% true.

A few of you have made it clear your view on submission is quite different then mine. Secs to a woman is the act of submitting her body for you to penetrate. Secs is submission but as i stated previously its for different reasons as mr.good said. Submission of the flesh is submission.

Let me ask all in that camp this question. Hypothetical Lets say your seeing a chic for 5 week period. Great convos, sometimes cooks, does little things for you and is pleasant. She is followng nicely.
BUT she wont fck you.

So why is it us guys walk away? And desire a girl who fcks us? If secs is not submission and she is perfect in every other way. Why not stay with her? Hmm? Its because shes not SUBMITTING her body.
Its so obvious that they do it for a host of different reasons but its still is what it is.
Submission does in fact not have to equal desire. (As in obligation secs) As ive said submission and behavior are synonymous. What good is the girl ultimately if she is not having secs with you? (Speaking 2 healthy adults)
Her level of submission to your frame will come out in her behavior. (Actions) and the glue and the gauge is the secs. Secs is submission

Say you spend all your time around this babe, who see's fit to be "nice" to you... But does not see you in a sexual light. If all your time is spent listening to her, and being around her, your aura will be converted to a "non-sexual" male. This is the type of attention you are getting,a nd the tone of voice you hear. All this time in the back of her mind when she is occasionally getting horny, she is thinking of someone else who she deems worthy of hitting it, not you. Your literally getting this cvck or gay energy in comparison.

Having female friends is not a problem. It's great, but you shouldn't spend most of your time and energy with them. They are thinking of other men while they are with you, "their friend". That's not healthy dynamic for a non-Asexual male. You know, a male who is a masculine and sexual male.

On this website, we know what we are here for. We should spend most of our time around babes who are feeling us and who deem us valuable in the sexual realm and will lust for us.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

The question i asked was for the folks who see this submission thing in such a narrow scope. Its purpose to get peoples minds to go a bit wider in scope.
I think male female friendships are for the majority. Hog wash.

You kno alot of guys who think they need female attention are doing it! These men cvck themselves in the process of hanging around. Society attempts to shame a male who feels he should be having sex in these situations. Like he's a "horndog".

 

[mrgoodstuff]

My point was and still is and you just verified in this statement.

Submission must come with her body. Or we are out. Why would we ultimately stay? We dont.

Obviously. I will point out same reason FWB for the guy is the ultimate "fantasy" never really lasts for the woman. Usually that is but there are always outliers.

It's costly to hang around. I already told my female "friends", if were not fvcking i'll be spending time around whoever my GF is, but i will see you all several times a year or so.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

And to think there are guys here teaching others... who say they walk away from girls who are not sexual and say sex is not submission yet when we don't get it we walk? I see a discrepancy in that mind and thought.

Saying sex is not part or include submission of at least her body even if your paying for it or not. Is like saying thunder precedes lightning.

Another example of this is when a girl is in the process of monkey branching and she is fcking 2 guys for that short period of time. As soon as her desire meter is high enough for the new tree she may still blow the old guy but there will come a day were she will NOT let him penetrate her. Bank it!

True, bank it. She's building her security and comfort with "new guy". The sex has to happen. We are doing adult relationships here, and all of us are sexual STRAIGHT males. If we are sexually desireable males, that means we are around and with babes we are fvcking or CAN fvck. Having babes in the mix where that's not a possibility literally KILL YOU.

Sex literally means SHE LIKES YOU ALOT. And if you can get sex when and where you want, it means she likes you more than most guys. This is where each of us should be with the women we entertain or are with.