“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Study: why guys go for "outta-their-league" girls

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While I do think looks matter, I think this story underestimates the factor that woman want a lot of other things besides looks, such as, personality, being outgoing, money and status etc. The story also mentions the media is an influence but now the PU community is probably a big influence why "uglyier" guys think they can score the hottest girl.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26631462

here's an excerpt:

The proof was in the matchmaking Web site HOTorNOT.com, a site where members rate each others' "hotness." The site offered a treasure trove of data: It contained information not only on dating habits of its members, but also on the members’ opinions of their own attractiveness and the "hotness" of potential dates, according to a study published in a recent issue of Psychological Science.

Researchers studied ratings and dating information from 16,550 members during a 10-day period in 2005. All members studied were heterosexual, with 75 percent males and 25 percent female.

Using this data, they determined that the physical attractiveness of a potential mate was more important to men than women. And men were less likely than women to think that their own lack of attractiveness — based both on a self assessment and the ratings of others — should stand in the way of a date with someone "hot."

Maybe men think women have all read "The Frog Prince" and taken it to heart, allowing us to look past an ugly exterior in the search for inner beauty. Or perhaps it’s that men have internalized the messages in the popular media: movies like "Knocked Up," where the slacker hero lands a beautiful babe, or TV shows like "According to Jim," in which a difficult, slobby guy is coupled with a gorgeous wife.

The lead author of the study, Leonard Lee, an assistant professor at Columbia’s Graduate School of Business, thinks these far-fetched movie and TV couples might explain why unfortunate-looking men tend to hold out such high hopes. But he wonders whether the unattractive guys eventually learn that their chances are slim regardless of what they see on screen. There’s another important finding in the study, he says: The 10s among us, both male and female, want only to date other 10s.

There are hints in the HOTorNOT.com data that suggest men do learn to accept their limitations: They apparently hedge their bets by asking for more dates. In fact, the men in the study requested a full 240 percent more dates than the women. Researchers didn't look at how many of these online come-ons were successful, but the number of dates most men asked for might be a sign that the less attractive among us — even the men — recognize that they may have to settle for dating someone who is closer to them on the "hotness" scale.

"Good looking people are always looking for other good looking people," says Helen Fisher, a professor at Rutgers University who studies mating behavior and romantic love...
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Besides the obvious flaw in the "study" with offset percentages of men vs. women studied, I think the study is on point about ugly guys thinking they can land a hot woman.

I find it fascinating that they mentioned According to Jim and Knocked Up...just goes to show you that there are plenty of guys out there who are heavily influenced (controlled?) by unrealistic media personalities.

Also, I wanted to point out that this is clearly scarcity mentality at work here. The ugly guys ONLY going for 10s or runway models because they want to "shoot for the moon". What a crock! There are literally tons and tons of 6s, 7s, and 8s and everything in between 6-9 that ugly guys can land! My god, those women naked will get your wee-wee riled up and ready for action, guys! Why are you ignoring them?

So two take home messages from this "study":
- Media has a MAJOR influence on the guy culture as far as dating and opposite sex is concerned. Cosmopolitan might as well start the Guys edition.
- Scarcity Mentality!!! Bang those average gals!! They're just as hot and sexy naked and when you're deep inside them!
 

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Using this data, they determined that the physical attractiveness of a potential mate was more important to men than women.
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There’s another important finding in the study, he says: The 10s among us, both male and female, want only to date other 10s.
Blatant contradiction.
 

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The problem is not ugly men wanting to go for the 10s. It's their failure to apply their high standarts to themselves and improving themselves.

So don't tell anyone just to go for the 5s 6s and 7s if they don't want to. Shooting for the moon is good. Not shooting but still expecting to end up there is bad...
 

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Al Moh. said:
The problem is not ugly men wanting to go for the 10s. It's their failure to apply their high standarts to themselves and improving themselves.

So don't tell anyone just to go for the 5s 6s and 7s if they don't want to. Shooting for the moon is good. Not shooting but still expecting to end up there is bad...
I gotta disagree with you here. You have to learn to walk before you can run.

if a guy who's say a 7 spends all his time trying to get 10s, then he just doesn't have the same experience as another 7 who isn't as picky as the first guy. The second guy with more experience has a better chance of scoring a 10 IMO.

Not to say don't be picky. If you're really all that then be as picky as you want, you deserve it.

Also not to say that "only 10s will do" guys don't score. If they really dedicate themselves then i don't see it as being impossible, just harder and less fun than the other way.
 

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Al Moh. said:
The problem is not ugly men wanting to go for the 10s. It's their failure to apply their high standarts to themselves and improving themselves.

So don't tell anyone just to go for the 5s 6s and 7s if they don't want to. Shooting for the moon is good. Not shooting but still expecting to end up there is bad...
First part, I agree. If you either look like the Pillsbury Doughboy without your shirt or you look like the main guest of Jerry Springer show, you should NOT be chasing after 10s.

For the second part, you have a lot to learn.

Read guru's thread on Scarcity Dilemma: http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=145422

Then read my post I made in that thread...specifically focus on the last paragraph I wrote:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1420636&postcount=21

Shooting for the moon is good. Nobody condones that. But if you can't even shoot and land on the 6th floor of Sears building, you're wasting your time.
 

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I believe you missunderstood me. Of course you have to take it step by step, but your GOAL can be getting a 10. The point I am trying to make is to not let anybody tell you that a girl is out of your league and that you can never ever get her. Same goes for everything in life. Where there is determination there is a solution.




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Oh, and you guys do realize that it works both ways? You don't have to start with 5s if you would already be capable of scoring 6s and 7s. Experience isn't everything. By treating all women the same you'll see which are interested in you. That's where you start to work your way up. Actually, that's where you start sliding down this hill of dating life, which is a lot of fun!
 

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But where there is determination, solution is distant and impossible to reach due to the lack of strong will to act. Strong determination can sometimes make you delusional. Delusion clouds strong will.

And experience IS everything. You CANNOT treat all women the same way. You can't treat a 10 just the same way that you'd treat a 5. Why? Because that 5/6/7 isn't used to guys drooling all over her. Actually, I'd say that 7 and 8 are the ones that get hit on the MOST because lot of guys have the guts to approach them, whereas 9 and 10 don't get hit on because not that many guys have the guts to even look at them in the eye, much less approach them.

Go ahead and approach/treat a 10 just as same as you would a 6 or 7. Come back and tell me how that goes for you. ;)

You're right that don't let anybody tell you a girl is out of your league. But you have to be a realist sometimes. You have to check yourself and figure out if you DESERVE that 10. Guys rambling on here that they DESERVE a 10 is absolute bull. Take a look at yourself in the mirror for once. Have you made yourself the best possible man that you can be? If not, then you don't deserve that 10.

And by the way, I'm defining that 10, for argumentative purpose, as somebody who is "perfect" in looks and personality.
 

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But where there is determination, solution is distant and impossible to reach due to the lack of strong will to act. Strong determination can sometimes make you delusional. Delusion clouds strong will.
Determination IS willpower, at least my dictionary says so. The word I want to use is "Entschlusskraft" in german, so you can look that up if you like ;)

And experience IS everything. You CANNOT treat all women the same way. You can't treat a 10 just the same way that you'd treat a 5. Why? Because that 5/6/7 isn't used to guys drooling all over her. Actually, I'd say that 7 and 8 are the ones that get hit on the MOST because lot of guys have the guts to approach them, whereas 9 and 10 don't get hit on because not that many guys have the guts to even look at them in the eye, much less approach them.
If experience was everything, my grandfather would score more HBs than I do. Even if this is exaggerated, experience is not everything. Experience is important, looks are important, character is important, the right habits are important but endurance is power ultimum.

And yes, you can treat all women the same. You know, we are looking from a different point of view here. You put the focus on the girls. That's why you say: You can't treat them the same, because they are not used to it. You are using rationalism.
I am putting the focus on myself, where the question if I can treat all women the same is just a matter of myself not being impressed by looks. So yes, you can treat all women the same, it requieres some willpower and insight, but it is possible.

Quick example here: I know two girls, one is about a 6 and one is a 7. That's also what other people say. So they initially had no interest. When I started educating myself at this site and trying out new stuff the 6 got quiet interested in me. Still, I was treating both of them the same. The 7 saw this interest and became interested in me too! Normally girls wouldn't care much if other girls that don't look as good as them are interested in some guy. But by treating them the same I flatened out the look difference between them. It's all in your mind guys. Women are reactive in nature, if you tell her she is ugly, she is going to think that she is ugly (alright, oppinions from other people come into play, but you get the point). So if I treat the HB6 like a 7 and the 7 like a 6, they are going to believe that they are that way.

The Nice Guy treats the girl like a princess. She thinks she is a princess and tries to find someone better and worthier.

The Jerk treats the woman like crap. She believes she is crap and is happy to have him. At least for a while ;)

So if you treat all women the same you are leveling out the looks difference. In my Nice Guy days girls came to me crying after they broke up with their boyfriends that they were so ugly and their firends were so beautiful. Now these girls were like 7s and 8s and their friends sometimes just soemthing like 4s and 5s. Girls have no idea how they are looking. They ask other people and the media and then adjust.

So treat them all the same! Light, warm, playful, sexual.

Go ahead and approach/treat a 10 just as same as you would a 6 or 7. Come back and tell me how that goes for you.
I would if there would be any 10 ;) I can only tell you that my approaches are just situational (where am I, what is she doing) and not depending on the looks of the girl. I could care less what other people think about her looks which is were the whole HB# system comes from. She is a girl, I am a guy, so where is the damn problem? (at least if she isn't a lesbian)

You're right that don't let anybody tell you a girl is out of your league. But you have to be a realist sometimes. You have to check yourself and figure out if you DESERVE that 10. Guys rambling on here that they DESERVE a 10 is absolute bull. Take a look at yourself in the mirror for once. Have you made yourself the best possible man that you can be? If not, then you don't deserve that 10.
This is exactly what I said in my first posts. You have to apply your standarts to yourself, which forces you on the path of self-improvement. But make no mistake: This is just for your standarts. If your standarts are a 7 and you see a 9, just approach her anyways, you have nothing to loose but you might get "lucky". (This is btw why soccerteams like Lichtenstein sometimes win against much better teams like Germany, because they have nothing to loose and go in without pressure).

And by the way, I'm defining that 10, for argumentative purpose, as somebody who is "perfect" in looks and personality.
Same here. And someone perfect is not just boring and unhuman, but also doesn't exist.
 

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Don't be so self-limiting as 'leagues' - we are all merely people.
 
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