"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Strippers on muscles vs skinny
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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I think physique has little to do with anything. Want proof? Go to a club or bar this weekend, and check out the hotties with boyfriends. The boyfriends/hubbys are closer to average guys than Ronnie Coleman.
"I think physique has little to do with anything. Want proof?....
Gosh!!! I jst think the guy has given u some actual proof to back up wat he said,....unlike u. Since when does a statement u made with no backing constitute proof?
Gosh!!! I jst think the guy has given u some actual proof to back up wat he said,....unlike u. Since when does a statement u made with no backing constitute proof?
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The first stripper says she loves muscle guys "but my boyfriend is skinny" I guarantee you that Hef's three blondes would gag at Jay Cutler's arms, and lick the arm of Hugh, filled with age spots and wrinkles.trv26 said:
"I guarantee you that Hef's three blondes would gag at Jay Cutler's arms, and lick the arm of Hugh, filled with age spots and wrinkles."
Fair enough. Although I wonder how much it is his money as against personality.
Fair enough. Although I wonder how much it is his money as against personality.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
I.A.F.Y.B.
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What difference does it make? All they care for is your money!!
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Nighthawk said:
The answers line up so well with my expectations that I sort of wonder how much to believe. First, this is us listening to what women are saying and secondly they are strippers, not that that's a bad thing but they are experts at being what men want them to be.
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Strippers are hilarious. I read the book "Strip City" by Lily Burana, and she has the market cornered as far as being an Egomaniac, as is the average stripper. They live for the gym and the tanning/nail salon in the daytime, as well as catalog shopping, and sleeping. They come alive at night, like vampires. They spend lots of time in front of a mirror applying eyeliner and lipstick, and deciding what outfit will get them the most cash for the night. Then, if they desire they can call up a sucker/customer who will happily chauffeur their ass to work. Once at work, their lives revolve around loud music, cigarette smoke, drinks, and working the pole and the room. They have their regular customers, who often have money and become addicted to their attention. As long as they are making $$$ to include big tips, they will sacrifice the entire night to these pathetic men, and only dance for them, and converse with them. Their workday begins as the sun goes down,and ends as the bar closes for the night. Then, they get escorted by the bouncers to their ride, which could be a Porsche or a Vette, funded by lonely men, a cab, or the same dumb slob who got them there in the first place. Who drives them home, and gets a little BS hug for his gas, and goes home, to pathetically mastrubate and call the stripper's name out as he climaxes in pure sexual frustration.bigjohnson said:
The amount of money these sluts can pull in for "dancing" ranges from small sums to obscene, enough to pay their way through college, or pay off mountains of bills to include expensive cars and homes.
Rollo Tomassi
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That's funny, I didn't see one response extolling the hotness of fat guys. Hmmm,...
Existential
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You can get girls being skinny or with muscles.
Some girls prefer one while some girls prefer the other. Some girls are in the middle. If I had to clump all girls into a group, I would say the overall most preferred body type is the mesomorph. Broad shoulders, narrow waist. Likely around 6feet tall and 190lbs. But...plenty of these types walking around that get blown out by 5'8 skinny dudes.
The only absolute truth that can be stated is that its your frame, your worldview, and your identity which ultimately determines attraction. Such things as physicality can be helpful, but in the end, are not going to make or break the interaction.
Have guys been laid simply because of their looks and/or build? Sure. Is it as consistent as being an authentic man who attracts because of how he interacts with the world? Most assuredly not.
Some girls prefer one while some girls prefer the other. Some girls are in the middle. If I had to clump all girls into a group, I would say the overall most preferred body type is the mesomorph. Broad shoulders, narrow waist. Likely around 6feet tall and 190lbs. But...plenty of these types walking around that get blown out by 5'8 skinny dudes.
The only absolute truth that can be stated is that its your frame, your worldview, and your identity which ultimately determines attraction. Such things as physicality can be helpful, but in the end, are not going to make or break the interaction.
Have guys been laid simply because of their looks and/or build? Sure. Is it as consistent as being an authentic man who attracts because of how he interacts with the world? Most assuredly not.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
bigjohnson
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Although quite a few were OK with what I would consider heavy guys, but they all wanted masculine traits more than requiring a cut and lean fella. They mostly seemed to want big chest, shoulders, arms and so on.Rollo Tomassi said:
Bible_Belt
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bigjohnson
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Did anyone else laugh at this being posted on a stripper board by a professed stripper?
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1421302&postcount=11
I wonder how many of these women are actually just stripperweb groupies.
What that thread illustrates is like I said in a similar thread - contrary to what the media often tells us, all women do not go ga -over big muscles and some are actively turned off by them. And there is a sizable proportion of women, presumably not desperate fuglies, that actively prefer skinny guys.
But be in shape, get muscley if that's what YOU want, but don't expect it to be the magic pill when it comes to attracting any woman you want.
But be in shape, get muscley if that's what YOU want, but don't expect it to be the magic pill when it comes to attracting any woman you want.
I disagree Nighthawk. I thought it was clear that most of the girls in that thread liked muscular men. Only a small few indicated they preferred skinny guys. The key here is to be Men's Health cover big, not the cover of Flex magazine. That's the type of guy that most girls on the bell curve tend to find attractive.
Having experienced every point on this spectrum, I can say being very big definitely turned off some girls and some of the girls I dated tried to subtly convince me to stop gaining weight. But of course I wasn't doing it for them, so their pleas fell on deaf ears. It did attract its fair share of girls too, but I won't lie they were mainly of a sluttier breed. Now that I am muchhhh smaller, but what would be considered an above-average build still (6'1 195 low bodyfat) girls love my current look and it definitely shows. I agree you don't NEED to fit a certain body type to pull girls, but it certainly helps (and the praise certainly doesn't hurt the ego either).
Finally, as I said I have been at every point on the spectrum and I can say being skinny sucks, and that's the bottom line. Once someone sees the difference between the skinny them and the muscular them, I don't think many people would be advocating skinny. It's more of a denial type thing (I don't want to change because this is who I am).
Having experienced every point on this spectrum, I can say being very big definitely turned off some girls and some of the girls I dated tried to subtly convince me to stop gaining weight. But of course I wasn't doing it for them, so their pleas fell on deaf ears. It did attract its fair share of girls too, but I won't lie they were mainly of a sluttier breed. Now that I am muchhhh smaller, but what would be considered an above-average build still (6'1 195 low bodyfat) girls love my current look and it definitely shows. I agree you don't NEED to fit a certain body type to pull girls, but it certainly helps (and the praise certainly doesn't hurt the ego either).
Finally, as I said I have been at every point on the spectrum and I can say being skinny sucks, and that's the bottom line. Once someone sees the difference between the skinny them and the muscular them, I don't think many people would be advocating skinny. It's more of a denial type thing (I don't want to change because this is who I am).
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
LostAndConfused
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Working towards those muscle types is a great goal for us all to attain, plus having done so it builds confidence.
My point is, women are going to be more attracted to a muscular body type (not necessarily ripped/jacked), and in working towards that we also build confidence along the way.
ALSO, what is the difference between a scrawny guy and a skinny guy?
My point is, women are going to be more attracted to a muscular body type (not necessarily ripped/jacked), and in working towards that we also build confidence along the way.
Everyone should read this....its primal reasoning behind being attracted to a muscular man.
ALSO, what is the difference between a scrawny guy and a skinny guy?
Count up the posts, there's about 13 saying they prefer skinny or lean but with some definition (ie not a 10 year olds body) versus a similar number who express a preference for burly beefcake. And a couple of chubby-chasers in there too.
I said a sizable proportion. Perhaps it's your preference (you hated being skinny) that read the thread as largely pro-muscles.
Yea, the safest place to be is somewhere in the middle, but I'm pointing out how many women, strippers even, find skinny a turn-on. I think that would come as a welcome surprise to many of the people here who think they have no chance with a hottie if they don't hit the gym.
I said a sizable proportion. Perhaps it's your preference (you hated being skinny) that read the thread as largely pro-muscles.
Yea, the safest place to be is somewhere in the middle, but I'm pointing out how many women, strippers even, find skinny a turn-on. I think that would come as a welcome surprise to many of the people here who think they have no chance with a hottie if they don't hit the gym.
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After some thought, I'm gonna go out on a limb and answer my own question.
Nighthawk you are probably thinking about a SCRAWNY guy. No girl likes that, unless they have much more to offer.
A "skinny" guy, rather, has muscle, is what a layman would call "toned," and is in great shape.
Nighthawk you are probably thinking about a SCRAWNY guy. No girl likes that, unless they have much more to offer.
A "skinny" guy, rather, has muscle, is what a layman would call "toned," and is in great shape.
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Yeah, but you know how women are. They don't really know what they want.brett012 said:
And most of the ones who want a "big guy" really wanted someone with alot of muscle but not at all cut (as in, linebacker physique.)
Also, what a girl says she wants can easily be different than what she really wants.
Maxtro
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Skinny, scrawny and thin mean the same thing. Having low body fat and low muscle content. Guys like that give off an impression of being weak.
Most girls on that site wanted a guy who had some muscle. Nobody said they wanted a bodybuilder type guy and several said no to it. Girls want a guy who is stronger than them, who is powerful and can protect or dominate her.
Most girls on that site wanted a guy who had some muscle. Nobody said they wanted a bodybuilder type guy and several said no to it. Girls want a guy who is stronger than them, who is powerful and can protect or dominate her.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.