"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Strange change of mind

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I've been seeing this woman who's older than me by 9 years ( I'm 25, she's 34).

we have been talking for about 3 weeks & just as of Saturday she invited me over to spend the night. as usual we would have great conversation and talk about randomness. we then had sex for the first time. after that she got more into me & would always brag about how good it was & how much she's into me. then even asking me to come over to make me breakfast at 7am a few days ago. strangely I receive a text message from her saying " so how did you know about him" then she responds with a " oops wrong person sorry". I asked what's going on? You ok?. I then fell asleep and woke up to a text from her saying " I just want to be friends..." This is where I screw up. I told her " thanks for wasting my time, this doesn't make one bit of sense to me. but thanks for wasting my time." Haven't heard a word since then from her.

Anyone can give me an idea on what went wrong & what I could expect from her if any at all? This is extremely puzzling.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Thorninmyside said:
Her boyfriend found out about you.
This ^ or some other dude that she is more into than you. You've already cut your losses, so get back out there and play.
 

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A simple "Fvck off" would have done nicely...
 

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I was thinking the same... But with her idk what's going on. Woke up to a txt saying " her I'm sorry that's all "

Not sure how to respond to her.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Fr0st said:
I was thinking the same... But with her idk what's going on. Woke up to a txt saying " her I'm sorry that's all "

Not sure how to respond to her.
I am.

"Fvck off."
 

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Quick update.

She ended up texting me back saying " you are a good man!" So I told her "

"thanks but I'm not interested in being just friends. if you happen to change your mind you know how to contact & maybe we can work things out. Until then I gotta move on, cya"

No response from her her since Tuesday. coming back to work after my vacation today I saw her and she just looked a complete mess. All depressed and down. somewhat fighting herself from looking at me while trying to seem pissed off. I didn't let it bother me and worked with my head up and acted like nothing ever happened. I will not contact her at all by any means unless she reaches out & if she does it won't be instant.

Ps. I know you shouldn't date or mess with co workers but I'm working on that. Just difficult to say no.
 

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Some questions I want to pose:

~Why would you date a woman 9 years your senior?

~Why would you be willing to 'work things out' with a woman significantly older than you who lied to you?

~You seriously didn't understand what happened?

~Why would you accept contact even if she reaches out? She's 35.

~If you know you shouldn't date coworkers, then why did you do it? How is it 'hard to say no.'? Have you no other options? I could see if she was a dime piece or something, but she's 35.
 

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It never matters WHY a woman is leaving. Just accept that she is leaving. Women are hypergamous by nature and the likelihood that a woman you're f*cking will eventually leave is sky high.

Don't analyze it because it doesn't matter. When you meet a woman you like.. just f*ck her brains out and have fun with it. In time she might find someone better OR her goals/priorities might shift in such a way that you are no longer useful to her. LET IT GO. There was nothing special about her anyway.

Throwing a fit when she friendzoned you was pointless simply because it will not reverse the situation. If anything it will enforce the idea that she made the right choice. You expose yourself as an emotional, needy, beta.

Here is advice for ALL men: Silence is golden.

Whenever a woman dumps you, the only thing you need to say is: "OK". Nothing more. And nothing else after. Its often a big ego blow when a man doesn't fight to keep a woman. Makes her feel like she was never that important.

Silence is a powerful tool against women because it gives them NOTHING to react to, fight or manipulate. They can do nothing but expose themselves by trying to break that silence. Fun to watch too. :up:
 

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SmooveMooves said:
Some questions I want to pose:

~Why would you date a woman 9 years your senior?

~Why would you be willing to 'work things out' with a woman significantly older than you who lied to you?

~You seriously didn't understand what happened?

~Why would you accept contact even if she reaches out? She's 35.

~If you know you shouldn't date coworkers, then why did you do it? How is it 'hard to say no.'? Have you no other options? I could see if she was a dime piece or something, but she's 35.
1.) strangely I have no clue other than I like the idea of a older woman.

2.) I have a habit of not giving up on something until I see I've done everything possible. Yeah it's bad I know but it's just how I'am. Then on top of that I hate losing especially when I was so close to winning.

3.) It isn't my only option but why turn down a opportunity that just gravitated towards me? Then I never really got out much until the past year & I'm just starting to speak to more people I don't already know. hard for me to say but yeah I have **** luck & experience with woman for my age. Especially when I'm not a bad looking guy who always gets compliments on nearly everything down to smelling good everyday. it's just one of my flaws. I hate it ALOT but I'm trying. No I don't need a woman to survive but I've been dry since I was 20.... ****ty feeling.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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I'm all good now. It is what is. From this I'm going to get out more and try to be more social. Now instead of being the quite awkward shy guy. Make my own moves for a change. Yet Its also amazing to see how applying just being silent works so flawlessly. She's like melting from the inside & if she does speak to me again I'll at least keep her around to hook up with for fun...

My issue I used to have with just hooking up was a fear of becoming the bad guy. being only raised by my Mom , grandmother & Aunt sort of had its defects as you can see. I was brought up to only focus on having serious relationships... because I didn't have a male figure to teach me how to be a proper manly man.

So if there's any links you guys would happen to send my way please do so.

thanks again guys!
 

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this is what I hate the most about woman nowadays.

It doesnt matter how well it seems its going...since she several options all the time (orbiters, new guys, ex bf, ex fwb...) because of fb, whatsapp...etc, the chance of her to branch swing is very high.
Besides, they are so selfish and stupid that they do not even tell you the truth, they suddenly say: "Im busy", "I just want to be friends" etc. but they dont tell you why they suddently dont want to see you anymore.

They could be honest for a change and just say: "Hey I like you a lot but I am back with my ex. I am sorry... take care"

No, they prefer to give you a lame/abstract excuse that leaves you hanging, wondering what happened. You guess there is another in the pic, guys here tell you that there is probably another guy, but YOU CANNOT CONFIRM IT, so you start to over-analyse and to get obssesed.

Stupid w-hores.


P.S.

If a woman suddently doesnt wanna see me again, I would not reply 'ok', this means: "hey, fine, no problem, I agree with you, you command I do right? if you're dumping me what can I do right?"

I would not reply at all, or I would send her something like "fvck off"
 

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This isn't a shocker, there was a post on redit recently. This broad in her 30s, was banging 3 dudes and couldn't decide who she liked best. Smh, hope you are being smart keep that sh*t wrapped up, get tested.
 

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hockeyfreak79 said:
This isn't a shocker, there was a post on redit recently. This broad in her 30s, was banging 3 dudes and couldn't decide who she liked best. Smh, hope you are being smart keep that sh*t wrapped up, get tested.
Yes without a doubt to always wrap it up. Funny thing is she was trying to get me to just pull out. I was like " oh hell no!"
 
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