She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Absolutely. This is Truth.DonGorgon said:Good looks make women more willing to accept your game.
You can? Good one.Flabbergasped? said:First of all, you can change everything about your appearance through surgery
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Haha, this post is funny. HandyAndy stop talking. You have no right to criticize anybody when you made a thread where you publicly admitted that you were afraid of women. Criticizing when you haven't really done anything is just hypocrisy.HandyAndy said:Man if you keep whining about looks like a little b!tch then why dont you get some plastic surgery to look like a fvcking super model so you can stop coming on here and annoying all the members with your stupid fvcking "looks" threads.
Get a fvcking life, and go get laid you 31 year old piece of sh1t virgin
/rant over
ElStud said:Haha, this post is funny. HandyAndy stop talking. You have no right to criticize anybody when you made a thread where you publicly admitted that you were afraid of women. Criticizing when you haven't really done anything is just hypocrisy.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I realize looks are a banned subject, but you pretty much nailed their place within game. Looks will get your feet in the door. If you are good looking dude, a woman will be more receptive to you approaching her, but you have about 15-20 seconds until that boost wears off. If you're a good looking dude but you have no inner game and you have no personality or charm, you're fvcked after that first 20 seconds. It's game over. You're going to get turned down just like wutangfinancial or any other short guy.ElStud said:The thing is, you might change your looks, get a facelift blah blah and while you might be the best looking dude out there, you still might not get girls because your inner game and stuff is going to be messed up. And in the end, even the fattest ugliest piece of sh*t on the planet can pull girls, because looks aren't really a big factor. That's not to say good looks can't help, but overall that's not what decides if a woman is attracted to you or not, it's your inner game and sub communication.
Great point ElStud. The biggest difference between guys with inner game and guys who don't have it is that the guys who have no inner game will believe a woman when she gives a sh!t test. They will get weak and back off. But the guy who has inner game and confidence will always be aggressive and unyielding to ASDs or sh!t tests. A girl could tell an alpha "Oh well, I have a boyfriend." His response would likely be "That's great, but I'm not interested in meeting your boyfriend. I want to meet you."Another BIG deciding factor is how reactive you are to the woman. And the average guy is super reactive which is why he fails with woman. Reacting is if a girl says "Um... sorry I'm a lesbian" and the guy says something like "Ooh, sorry, didn't know you rolled like that" or tries to make a comeback. The guys who "know it" aren't reactive because they're not insecure and have no reason to respond or even react to little things like that. And those guys get women.
This is where the wheels come off of this post ElStud. "Get away from me!!" is not a sh!t test. That is something you should listen to, because if you don't, a restraining order could be in the near future for you.What most guys don't realize is this, when a woman says stuff like "Go away!" or "Get away from me!" that's just a sh*t and if you don't react, you can turn her mood from p*ssed to happy. This basically tells us that women live in the emotion of the moment and this is why a girl can be p*ssed at you one second and love you the next. But average guy will say "Uh... Okay" and probably react to the girl.
Thanks, but generally a girl won't call a restraining order unless you're SERIOUSLY creeping her out. Point is, if you're unreactive to her saying "Get away!" you can turn it around. You have to understand women don't think as logically as we do when it comes to these things. They act off emotions and not logic. This is the reason why a girl can hate you one minute and be all clinging to you the next, because girls act off the emotion of the moment. I know this because there have been girls who hated me one day and on a different day, they would be trying to talk to me. If a girl said "Get away!" but you plowed through the set and were unreactive, it would most likely turn it around.MikeYikes122 said:This is a pretty good effort from ElStud. I will break down what he has said.
I realize looks are a banned subject, but you pretty much nailed their place within game. Looks will get your feet in the door. If you are good looking dude, a woman will be more receptive to you approaching her, but you have about 15-20 seconds until that boost wears off. If you're a good looking dude but you have no inner game and you have no personality or charm, you're fvcked after that first 20 seconds. It's game over. You're going to get turned down just like wutangfinancial or any other short guy.
It's that simple. That's looks in a nutshell. But unfortunately, all the idiot AFCs and nerds on this board have to blow things way out of proportion and try to make excuses for themselves. They use their looks as a crutch because they're lazy and need a way to reconcile not getting off their asses and improving themselves. It's exactly like ElStud says, inner game is the ultimate decider. And the only correlation between looks and inner game is that often the ugly/short dudes have allowed themselves to have no confidence because they believe the myth that looks and height are what women want. That is the biggest reason why ugly/short dudes fail with women.
I am a good looking dude. When I was 17, I got a 9.7 on HotorNot.com. And guess what? I got just as many girls as wutang. Sure, I had more girls showing interest in me and physically wanting me, but I had no inner game and no confidence, so I got nothing from hardly any of them. Now that I have inner game, I will approach girls and they will see I'm good looking. I have 20 seconds before the chick bails on me. If you're not good looking and you're approaching a woman, you have to either reconcile it by making yourself good looking or finding something witty or entertaining to say to pique the chick's interest right off the bat.
It is this simple, guys.
Great point ElStud. The biggest difference between guys with inner game and guys who don't have it is that the guys who have no inner game will believe a woman when she gives a sh!t test. They will get weak and back off. But the guy who has inner game and confidence will always be aggressive and unyielding to ASDs or sh!t tests. A girl could tell an alpha "Oh well, I have a boyfriend." His response would likely be "That's great, but I'm not interested in meeting your boyfriend. I want to meet you."
This is where the wheels come off of this post ElStud. "Get away from me!!" is not a sh!t test. That is something you should listen to, because if you don't, a restraining order could be in the near future for you.
Overall though, good stuff from ElStud.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Even if sometime in the future, you could change everything about your looks through surgery to look like Brad Pitt's clone, it would likely cost tens of millions of dollars.Juan_Man said:When it comes to looks, the only thing you can't change is your height. But you can change your body and work around your face and accentuate the nice features.
What a stupid defeatist thing to say. Congratulations. You have become one of the reasons why this forum sucks right now.bsthatcher said:Just face it: Some people are screwed in life. This thread is a pathetic attempt to try to convince himself and others that life is fair.
You know what, I'm not going to fight you. If you think you're right, you're right in your own mind. Do I care for your opinion? No, it doesn't bother me that you would say I have no success with women when I've gotten a ton of numbers. So think what's right in YOUR mind even if it is in reality wrong.wutangfinancial said:^I'm not trying to be mean, but I don't think our situations are similar at all. You seem to be completely void of any social awareness. Also, you've had zero success with women. Why does anything you say have any validity? Actually, could you post a pic?
wutangfinancial said:^there's some truth to this. I saw a girl a couple of days ago on a blind date, and her actual craniofacial structure was hideous....just hideous. That can't be fixed, not even in the age of facial transplants-her actual bone structure was too screwed up. That's pretty rare though. But it definitely happens. Most people can become average looking through surface level treatments, often with their skin...and as Stuka keeps pointing out, through dentistry, jaw alignment, etc.
Anyhow, I just saw the roast of Gene Simmons. You can't get much uglier than that guy. And he has 4,800 lays.
ElStud said:You know what, I'm not going to fight you. If you think you're right, you're right in your own mind. Do I care for your opinion? No, it doesn't bother me that you would say I have no success with women when I've gotten a ton of numbers. So think what's right in YOUR mind even if it is in reality wrong.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.