"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Still having trouble maintaining good conversations

Matt281

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It's weird, I have no trouble meeting people or making friends, or even generally talking to people, but as far as keeping a conversation interesting enough to keep a girl's attention for more than a minute or two, I still struggle. Sure, if they give me something to work with like an unusual or playful repsonse, I can work with it, but if they just give the usual mundane responses, I always feel like I can't take the conversation anywhere fun or interesting.

Being well-known and well-liked around college along with having pretty good looks seems to help a lot, but it really doesn't seem to be enough if I struggle to hold a good conversation, make girls laugh (when they don't give me anything to work with) and so on.

I've taken the advice to talk to everyone in hopes to become more charismatic in general, and it seems to be helping a little, but it's still really hard for me to find fun and interesting things to talk about in everyday situations, and to transition from a "hi, how are you" interaction to those kinds of things.

Any thoughts?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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loving

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Follow your bliss
Ask them questions about what they like.. Remember something they said earlier.. Be sexual.. Play games..There's so much you can do with girls..
 

steve_erkle

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bro, i've found the best thing to do is not take anything too seriously. im a funny, random guy so even if i don't know ther person i'm talking to i'll say random ****, sometimes they love it, sometimes they go "what the **** is he talking about"...

when i really try to have a normal conversation and keep it serious and follow the rules "first ask xxx, wait for response, hold e.c and give kino. then bla bla blah..." i get bored. just do whatever feels natural man..

basically, just be yourself and don't care if they accept you or not.
 

Smartone84

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Sometimes, in the beginning at least, i have a similar problem, but maybe thats just the way it is in general if you still dont know the person that well. I for one also am very friendly and can go on and on when it comes to talking.

I would say that if you're on the 4th or 5th date and you are still having silence during convos with the girl, then its probably not a good sign. 1st or 2nd date, or even 3rd, its almost expected, unless you are a master when it comes to convo with anyone.
 
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