“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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any see spike's guys choice awards?

anyone who thinks that just women are pathetic should have seen that 2 hour guy award show. with the exception of will ferrel it was 2 hours of men behaving like utter idiots and shouting and whopping at women.

its no wonder that women think men are pigs when sh*t like that is aired as representing male interests.
 

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joekerr31 said:
any see spike's guys choice awards?

anyone who thinks that just women are pathetic should have seen that 2 hour guy award show. with the exception of will ferrel it was 2 hours of men behaving like utter idiots and shouting and whopping at women.

its no wonder that women think men are pigs when sh*t like that is aired as representing male interests.
Not all men though, mainly americans.

That's why it's so easy to pick-up any American woman coming to Europe. regardless of whether she's married or engaged. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to spend the night with something else that the usual brainless yankee swine.
 

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While being one of the "brainless yankee swine", i do understand your sentiments. And i agree. In my mid-twenties, i spent a summer in Italy and it felt like i was on A DIFFERENT PLANET. Why was that? Well an inner geographical sense of being very far from home, but also life itself felt so different. I have thought a good deal about American culture vs. European (i am considering someday living abroad, likely Europe) and a recent observation could explain it.

As a relatively young nation, created from scratch, America is overwhelmingly defined by commerce (its roots being colonial and steered by merchant interests). Even values such as "American liberty" and the "American Dream" are economic at their core. With American society being defined by commerce, it is therefore, dominated by marketing. The marketing of products is heavily, if not solely, reliant on fostering and perpetuating the herd mentality that the human mind is so easily susceptible to. And so, American society, defined by commerce and, therefore, by marketing, is a herd mentality society (however strong Americans may insist on being "unique" and "rugged individuals". It may have been once a nation of rugged individuals, but since the early 20th century and the advent of mass media, it is no longer).

All this to say that women are the most "herd mentality-susceptible" and as a result, American women are heavily conditioned to pop culture ("mass-market culture") values and imagery. American men want to bed American women, but must play to their tune in order to do so. So American men fall prey to pop-culture's influences, tendencies, and steretypes, and it becomes all about how well one can display the fact that he understands and accepts the codes that mass-marketing has established as "The Way" in American society. Hence, the brainless yankee swine - a herd of pigs, developed and defined by mass-marketing, whooping it up and falling down drunk at frat parties, obsessed with image, obsessed with physique, chasing mindless girls across the club dance floor - girls programmed, bought, and paid-for by the mass-media and marketing firms. Vacuous. Empty. Unfulfilling. The Living Dead.

European society, on the other hand, has a different set of priorities. Family, good friendships, food and drink, art, and culture all take precedence over commerce - the making of money. European society is defined by quality of life whereas American society, corrupted by sheer materialism and dominated by the business sector, is defined by quantity of life: "what do i own and what can i get next?" American's have been brainwashed to believe that the things they own are what defines them.

So it is little wonder then, that when an American woman visits Europe, she encounters, perhaps for the first time in her life, a lifestyle much closer to the way life is meant to be lived and men who are living that kind of life. She is simply getting closer to what it really means to be human and she loves it. (The same could be said for those living in the South Pacific, parts of Latin America, etc.)

This is my observation, as an American who spent three months in Italy, and one who holds a degree in history, who has studied and admired the positive aspects of European culture. I certainly recognize that there are exceptions, many, in fact, to what i described above, but i think the generalization i have made is an accurate one.
 

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Great post GtarPlayr73!! :up: :up: :up:


GtarPlayr73 said:
European society, on the other hand, has a different set of priorities. Family, good friendships, food and drink, art, and culture all take precedence over commerce - the making of money. European society is defined by quality of life whereas American society, corrupted by sheer materialism and dominated by the business sector, is defined by quantity of life: "what do i own and what can i get next?" American's have been brainwashed to believe that the things they own are what defines them.
I'll add to this by saying that it seems to a lot of women, you are what defines them when you are dating them. It's not you they are dating, they really don't give two sh!ts about you, it's the image of you. I've gone on a few dates recently, unfortunately, where this has been brutally evident. It was obvious that the questions she was asking were not to get to know me better as a person, but to get to know if I define the certain image that she was looking for. As men in America, sometimes I wonder if we get stereotyped more than women do.

Having travelled and dated a few european gals, I really miss having quality conversations with women..
 

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ok here's the solution.

lets start a movement.

every man between the ages of 25-40 is who is single picks up, en masse, all at once and moves to europe. we crash the borders. we travel across the ocean in boats and storm the beach fronts and claim amnesty.

as millions of us do so we will literally destroy north america. both US and Canadian economies will crumble over night. women will have no available quality men left and will go crazy. seniors will be screwed with no one left to fund their social security and medical costs.

the president of the united states and prime minister of canada will have to go on international television and beg north american men to return home.

at which point perhaps we will with 2 or 3 european beauties at each of our sides.

:up:
 

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joekerr31 said:
ok here's the solution.

lets start a movement.

every man between the ages of 25-40 is who is single picks up, en masse, all at once and moves to europe. we crash the borders. we travel across the ocean in boats and storm the beach fronts and claim amnesty.

as millions of us do so we will literally destroy north america. both US and Canadian economies will crumble over night. women will have no available quality men left and will go crazy. seniors will be screwed with no one left to fund their social security and medical costs.

the president of the united states and prime minister of canada will have to go on international television and beg north american men to return home.

at which point perhaps we will with 2 or 3 european beauties at each of our sides.

:up:
:) Or...we mass away all our low quality women overseas, and bring in a fresh stock.

Image in a base-line intelligency test...

Do you like Britney Spears? Yes...overseas.

For every woman we send over, we bring in a new HB looking for a fresh start.

:)
 

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GtarPlayr73 said:
As a relatively young nation, created from scratch, America is overwhelmingly defined by commerce (its roots being colonial and steered by merchant interests). Even values such as "American liberty" and the "American Dream" are economic at their core. With American society being defined by commerce, it is therefore, dominated by marketing. The marketing of products is heavily, if not solely, reliant on fostering and perpetuating the herd mentality that the human mind is so easily susceptible to. And so, American society, defined by commerce and, therefore, by marketing, is a herd mentality society (however strong Americans may insist on being "unique" and "rugged individuals". It may have been once a nation of rugged individuals, but since the early 20th century and the advent of mass media, it is no longer).

All this to say that women are the most "herd mentality-susceptible" and as a result, American women are heavily conditioned to pop culture ("mass-market culture") values and imagery. American men want to bed American women, but must play to their tune in order to do so. So American men fall prey to pop-culture's influences, tendencies, and steretypes, and it becomes all about how well one can display the fact that he understands and accepts the codes that mass-marketing has established as "The Way" in American society. Hence, the brainless yankee swine - a herd of pigs, developed and defined by mass-marketing, whooping it up and falling down drunk at frat parties, obsessed with image, obsessed with physique, chasing mindless girls across the club dance floor - girls programmed, bought, and paid-for by the mass-media and marketing firms. Vacuous. Empty. Unfulfilling. The Living Dead.

European society, on the other hand, has a different set of priorities. Family, good friendships, food and drink, art, and culture all take precedence over commerce - the making of money. European society is defined by quality of life whereas American society, corrupted by sheer materialism and dominated by the business sector, is defined by quantity of life: "what do i own and what can i get next?" American's have been brainwashed to believe that the things they own are what defines them.
:up: That was a very good read and I agree with everything you said.

Often I feel sorry for people who are stuck in this matrix like system where someone else tells them how to act and how to live and they don't realise it, accept it as it is and any attempt to stray from this thinking is a cause for fear. That is why you see more and more people act the same and talk the same because t.v told them so.

I remember in my early 20's going to clubs and thinking: "awesome, clubs are cool" but I came to the realisation that its cool because its a trend that favours chicks more. Men think clubs are cool because of the women and not because of the club itself. Its a perfect place for women, all they do is dance or sit with drinks for 4 hours, gossip about men, get attention from men or wait to get picked up and the men that show up there pretty much act like chicks (dance and gossip for 4 hours). I think that is why fights often break out in clubs because guys wanting to rediscover their masculinty after acting like a vagina for pretty much the whole night.

The reason men go to clubs is for the sole purpose of a picking up and that is how cool gets branded (most men sole purpose is to pick up in a club so if you fail then you end up feeling like a vagina for wasting soo much time doing chick things for 3-4 hours as mention before). No guy would go to a club if there weren't chicks in it (who the fvck wants to hang out on in a packed dark dance floor full of men and pay for drinks that cost double more then every where else, while listen to the latest euro trash techno remix song about a chick longing for her boyfriend???!!! come on now, no women = not cool).

Therefore people go to clubs to feel good about themseleves as opposed to already feeling good about themsleves. I am not saying don't go to clubs if you like the atmosphere, but don't become like the poor sapps who use clubs as their only means of accomplishment and social outlet in this world. When the bar closes and the music is shut down and its time to head home, you are still you and not anyone else. You better have something else going for you and often most people don't.
 

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The rest of the world has its share of loud mouthed beer swilling sports maniacs too....

America, yea, it pretty much sucks compared to the rest of the world in a lot of respects. But what do you expect? Europe has had quite a bit more time to develop culture. We are the new kids on the block. At least I can see that things are improving.
 

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DJDamage said:
The reason men go to clubs is for the sole purpose of a picking up and that is how cool gets branded (most men sole purpose is to pick up in a club so if you fail then you end up feeling like a vagina for wasting soo much time doing chick things for 3-4 hours as mention before). No guy would go to a club if there weren't chicks in it (who the fvck wants to hang out on in a packed dark dance floor full of men and pay for drinks that cost double more then every where else, while listen to the latest euro trash techno remix song about a chick longing for her boyfriend???!!! come on now, no women = not cool).
Most of the time I go to clubs to hang out with friends and have a drink to unwind. It's rare these days that I just go out with a male friend or a group of guys. It's usually a mixed bag or mainly chicks, so I'm not really in the pickup mode, just there to have fun, people watch, and let off some steam.
 

Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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I agree with everything in your post, GtarPlayr73 except for...
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So it is little wonder then, that when an American woman visits Europe, she encounters, perhaps for the first time in her life, a lifestyle much closer to the way life is meant to be lived and men who are living that kind of life. She is simply getting closer to what it really means to be human and she loves it.
...theres an old saying...you can take a child out of the hood, but you can't take the hood of the child...

There are guys who don't try to fit into an image that treat American women as humans, but American women view them as not emotionally stirring enough, or not exciting. American women DON'T have the confidence, maturity, self esteem or strength to be independent thinkers.

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Europe has had quite a bit more time to develop culture. We are the new kids on the block. At least I can see that things are improving.
I don't buy this at all. At what point does a person develop a desire for improving themselves ?? what does the age of our culture have to do with being intelligent, humble humans ?? Americans know full well of their disgusting behavior, but they don't care enough to change it. It is a choice people make, NOT how long a culture has had to develop.

and Mr. Positive, YOU ARE A MOTHA'FUCKEN GENIUS props !!!
 

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Not all men though, mainly americans.

That's why it's so easy to pick-up any American woman coming to Europe. regardless of whether she's married or engaged. It's a once in a lifetime opportunity to spend the night with something else that the usual brainless yankee swine.

And its also why we get laid anytime we come to your country just for being Americans. The once in a lifetime opportunity for your chicks to be with a dude who isn't some pasty, sappy, hopelessly romantic p.ussy with a cheesy accent.
 

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And its also why we get laid anytime we come to your country just for being Americans. The once in a lifetime opportunity for your chicks to be with a dude who isn't some pasty, sappy, hopelessly romantic p.ussy with a cheesy accent.
You're 19, you don't know what you're talking about.

American tourists get laughed at in most major cities in Europe and I still have to hear from the girl who finds Americans attractive just because of their nationality... Now why is that? Because they're perceived as ignorant and tasteless. While that may be true for a vast majority, some of the most enriching encounters I have made so far were with Americans.

It seems everything Americans do is in fact an outlet for their frustration of not being richer, more attractive, more famous and so on and so forth... The masses are mainained in a state of perpetual frustration through the medias and technological innovation. Never do people find time to dig in themselves for answers to more relevant and enlighting questions than : "How much will I make this year?" or "Can I afford a new SUV?"

In this respect, I am always baffled to see you guys bragging about how much money you make and what car you drive and how you should be landing more girls considering how $$$ you are. American logic, all the way. This never ever shows on the French or Dutch seduction sites.

Now to come back to the original topic, yes, there are a bunch of freaking idiots in just about every country be it in Europe or elsewhere. But, overall there just seems to be less frutration and hence less need for overcompensating with 'male' activities such as blowing a wad of cash on strippers...

Europeans don't go to see strippers, they either go pick-up girls or they go to the hookers or swingers club with their F-Friend. But strippers... Hooters bars... all that is really a bit sad... and just generates more frustration and a damn sure waste of money.

I always enjoy having American colleagues coming from the US for, say a 6 month project in Amsterdam, see how they love it here and never want to return to the US. After a month, they're used to cycling around or using public transportation, buying fruits on the market and meeting girls that never ask for your annual income on the first date. :woo:
 

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Wow, where to begin? First, to joekker31 mr. positive: BRILLIANT ideas. joekker31, your idea might just seriously work if it was put into practice...

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I remember in my early 20's going to clubs and thinking: "awesome, clubs are cool" but I came to the realisation that its cool because its a trend that favours chicks more. Men think clubs are cool because of the women and not because of the club itself. Its a perfect place for women, all they do is dance or sit with drinks for 4 hours, gossip about men, get attention from men or wait to get picked up and the men that show up there pretty much act like chicks (dance and gossip for 4 hours). I think that is why fights often break out in clubs because guys wanting to rediscover their masculinty after acting like a vagina for pretty much the whole night.

The reason men go to clubs is for the sole purpose of a picking up and that is how cool gets branded (most men sole purpose is to pick up in a club so if you fail then you end up feeling like a vagina for wasting soo much time doing chick things for 3-4 hours as mention before). No guy would go to a club if there weren't chicks in it (who the fvck wants to hang out on in a packed dark dance floor full of men and pay for drinks that cost double more then every where else, while listen to the latest euro trash techno remix song about a chick longing for her boyfriend???!!! come on now, no women = not cool).
You hit the nail on the head! I'm filing your description away because it is so true. WOW! Clubs are the women's den, despite what any PUA would say otherwise. Any man who goes there is an AFC by default because he is chasing the women! Going to a club automatically makes women the PRIZE TO BE WON through slick techniques, etc. A true DJ is having none of that. Face it, any man who goes there, is obsessed with women, not living his own premediated life.

Could you even have clubs without a media-created and -marketed pop culture?

No, i couldn't even begin to imagine finding an intelligent woman with any depth in a club. That's why i've never been attracted to clubs. My intuition told me it was not a healthy place where a man could truly be a man, and being a guy, even an AFC, i wasn't interested in going to such a place. Indeed, men who live the clubbing lifestyle have nothing else going for them. What are men doing in such a place? They should be out with the guys, doing what men enjoy, while the women gossip and carry on somewhere else. When you do have a healthy, mature, freethinking woman in your life, then you go out WITH HER to a quality nightspot.

Blusher said:
I always enjoy having American colleagues coming from the US for, say a 6 month project in Amsterdam, see how they love it here and never want to return to the US. After a month, they're used to cycling around or using public transportation, buying fruits on the market and meeting girls that never ask for your annual income on the first date. :woo:
Ah, yes, my sis and her husband visited Amsterdam last year and LOVED IT. What a great city, indeed. So picturesque. I could only IMAGINE the romantic possibilities there...(sigh)

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...theres an old saying...you can take a child out of the hood, but you can't take the hood of the child...

There are guys who don't try to fit into an image that treat American women as humans, but American women view them as not emotionally stirring enough, or not exciting. American women DON'T have the confidence, maturity, self esteem or strength to be independent thinkers.
We are actually in full agreement. Sounds like we need some French chicks, yeah?

What to do, as an American in America?! I've always considered living in Europe and now, thanks to this thread, i'm a bit closer to actually doing it. But until then, what? Use my artistic strengths to effect some sort of change? As for dating, i have to build an effective filter for meeting women with brains and character, someone who thinks for herself. Ha! That actually makes rejecting superficially hot American girls all the easier. Indeed, jump through MY hoops, brainwashed American zombie girls. Ah, but i catch myself. Can they be blamed when they live in a society that does not encourage reflection and free-thought? No, we must liberate these club-obsessed girls. Americans like liberation, right? Eh, too much work... Off then to the nearest university! Young women with left-leaning, artistic concerns abound! (and to think i used to be a Christian fundy!)
 
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Americans know full well of their disgusting behavior, but they don't care enough to change it. It is a choice people make, NOT how long a culture has had to develop.
Lately, and I mean recently - like the last couple of months, myself and a couple friends have been noticing A LOT of 'cool sh!t' that people are doing.

It's as if the number and frequency of 'friendly, selfless' acts is on the rise.

Perhaps it's spring, or, perhaps it is a trend. Could it be that Americans, in view of the war in Iraq and being exposed to how the rest of the world regards us (and our shenanigans), could it be that Americans are getting sick of Americans? Americans are constantly bombarded with "Americans suck" propaganda... is it having an affect? Is terrorism having an effect like this?

I would say, "stay tuned". I have been seeing a lot of surprising stuff going on, almost every day, that would lead me to believe that people have started trying to "raise the bar".

Can anyone else support my observations?
 

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Most of the time I go to clubs to hang out with friends and have a drink to unwind. It's rare these days that I just go out with a male friend or a group of guys. It's usually a mixed bag or mainly chicks, so I'm not really in the pickup mode, just there to have fun, people watch, and let off some steam.
There is nothing wrong with that. What I am refering to are people who are obssessed with clubs, who say they love clubs but in actuality its pvssy they love and as another poster mentioned, its a chicks den. Clubs are a well known hook up place for both sexes and that is the real reason why men like clubs. In actuality you have the power to sarge anywhere you go but most people wait until they hit the clubs during the weekend as if its not acceptable to pick up women elsewhere as well.

The more a man spends time in a club during the week the more feminizied he becomes. He starts to worry too much about what chicks think about his looks and he changes himself accordingly (the chick becomes the prize not the man). Other then sarging a chick in a club there is nothing masculine about clubs.

Exhibit A: http://x53.xanga.com/2a809540d07a830046046/b20632624.jpg
 

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see how they love it here and never want to return to the US. After a month, they're used to cycling around or using public transportation, buying fruits on the market and meeting girls that never ask for your annual income on the first date. :woo:

First of all, I'm 19 and I'm much smarter than you are.

Maybe you're buddies laugh at the Americans...but its only a way to compensate for the fact that your gf has an American BF on the side.

Thank you for making my point. Of course we love it there! Where else can you get laid just for being from a certain country? Oh wait, thats just about everywhere. And you're damn right we love girls that don't care about money, cause we don't wanna spend it on them. Use your brain before you spout off about "Yankee Swine" next time.
 

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I don't buy this at all. At what point does a person develop a desire for improving themselves ?? what does the age of our culture have to do with being intelligent, humble humans ??
It has a lot to do with it.

All you have to do is walk the streets of an ancient (or even not so ancient for that matter) city and you can FEEL it in the air. In America you can't walk through a church that was built 1500 years ago. In most of this country you don't see buildings that are more than 100-150 years old. We have a much shorter history. And history brings people together. It creates PRIDE in ones country.

But I've said it before, and I will say it again....this country is changing for the better. Now you can walk down the street in most major cities and even some of the cooler small towns and see people chatting in front of a coffee shop. Art galleries are popping up here and there. Older buildings are finally being appreciated and are being restored.

All of this stuff is changing our culture.

Americans know full well of their disgusting behavior, but they don't care enough to change it. It is a choice people make, NOT how long a culture has had to develop.
Uh, that's like saying that a kid who grows up in a situation where mom beats on dad, dad beats on mom, and all of the kids in the neighborhood beat on each other should know that it's wrong to hit people.

America is SLOOOOOWLY changing. We are starting to embrace OTHER cultures, which helps us to form our own identity.

This has only been going on for the past 10-20 years.

How long has sushi been popular? Not long. Wine? Americans might not ever top Europe when it comes to wine consumption, but I can tell you that over the past 10 or so years A LOT more people are into the stuff. What about micro brewed beers? I got into it just when it was in its infancy, around 1990. Now there are several stores in town that offer over 1000 different beers from every corner of the globe.

The "Wonder Bread" society is dying, and I am happy to see it go.
 
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