"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Something That's Worked For Me

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I've heard a lot of guys talk about how you shouldn't spend money on women. That you should go on dates that require little money, and give the both of you a chance to get to know eachother. But you know what? A lot of women will see through your smoke screen and interpret that to meaning you're cheap.

Now I'm not just talking about gold diggers, most women get turned off by a guy who's clearly penny pinching, even if these women aren't necessarily looking for a wealthy man. It's gives the impression that you don't have class.


Here's an interesting idea I've tried, and it seems to work pretty well.

Once you've established that a girl has at least a moderate level of interest in you, and you're going on your first date, take her to an expensive restaurant. Don't go beyond your means, but put on a big show without being obnoxious.

Now here's the kicker.....IGNORE HER FOR ABOUT A WEEK AFTERWARDS....Why would you do this you might ask? Because while she might have thought you were just trying to impress her the first night, she'll wonder why the hell you didn't call her back right away and try to set up another date.

What this establishes, is she'll think it's normal for you to go to fancy restaurants, and that you weren't just rolling out the red carpet for her. It'll make you look classy, without appearing like you're trying to buy her love.

You might also want to send a dozen flowers after your second date, then be unavailable for a few days. These mixed signals are intriguing to women. On one hand you're sweeping her off her feet, on the other she isn't able to predict what you're going to do, or how you're going to act.

Contrary to popular belief, women love to be treated well, but they don't want to be put on a pedestal. If you can accomplish this, you'll have her eating out of your hand.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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joey2times said:
I've heard a lot of guys talk about how you shouldn't spend money on women. That you should go on dates that require little money, and give the both of you a chance to get to know eachother. But you know what? A lot of women will see through your smoke screen and interpret that to meaning you're cheap.

Now I'm not just talking about gold diggers, most women get turned off by a guy who's clearly penny pinching, even if these women aren't necessarily looking for a wealthy man. It's gives the impression that you don't have class.


Here's an interesting idea I've tried, and it seems to work pretty well.

Once you've established that a girl has at least a moderate level of interest in you, and you're going on your first date, take her to an expensive restaurant. Don't go beyond your means, but put on a big show without being obnoxious.

Now here's the kicker.....IGNORE HER FOR ABOUT A WEEK AFTERWARDS....Why would you do this you might ask? Because while she might have thought you were just trying to impress her the first night, she'll wonder why the hell you didn't call her back right away and try to set up another date.

What this establishes, is she'll think it's normal for you to go to fancy restaurants, and that you weren't just rolling out the red carpet for her. It'll make you look classy, without appearing like you're trying to buy her love.

You might also want to send a dozen flowers after your second date, then be unavailable for a few days. These mixed signals are intriguing to women. On one hand you're sweeping her off her feet, on the other she isn't able to predict what you're going to do, or how you're going to act.

Contrary to popular belief, women love to be treated well, but they don't want to be put on a pedestal. If you can accomplish this, you'll have her eating out of your hand.
why would anybody go through so much trouble just to have sex with a woman.

That is like the ultimate AFC thing to do.

I only take women on dates after I had sex with them.
 
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Anything that cost more than miniature golf is not on my entertainment agenda!!!
 

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Well his point of showing attention and interest in a girl then taking it away is valid. However, I don't think you should do that with expensive dinners and flowers.
 

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What the hell is this? Hitch?

Turn off the DVD player and get some experience in the field before wasting our time again. Furthermore, should you start to flame me know that I don't have any interest in arguing over the internet so I won't respond no matter how witty your comment is.

Thanks in advance.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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theoretically, this sounds really good

but in practice, trying so hard would probably diminish your soul (as well as your bank account) to the point that you would actually become a lesser man
 

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I think this would actually work just as OP said it would. The key is there must be some IL initially for it to really work, but it sounds like he knows what he is talking about here.
 

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it'll work but it's just a really expensive way to do a push-pull. and there are a million other ways to create attraction besides push-pull

you don't gotta be ballin outta control when you choose where to go, but if you're penny pinching so much you look bad, that's just some common sense sh!t you should KNOW not to do

point of a date is for you to get to know the girl, see if she meets your standards, and vice versa, that's it. that's the frame you should set at the beginning. you should never be trying to buy the pvssy
 

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Well another point is if she is going out on date with you, then there's a high likelihood she has some interest in you. But if you're luring her out on date with offers of an expensive dinner that's another matter.
 

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sorry Joey,

can't agree with you on this. Agreed with Ketostix and the rest of the members for the most part.

Iqqi, I agree that it could work theoretically, but in practice you and your bank account would suffer because of it.

Plus, all the girls that i have dated don't really mind.

My first date with my current girlfriend was for free. I didn't pay any money at all on her until I knew her for four months into the relationship.

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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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