"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Some guys have it all... yet have nothing... Why?

I-am-someone

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I'll tell you guys about a friend of mine that I've known for a year and a half now. He's in the same class as I am. We used to do a lot of group assignments together, getting A's and A-'s. Now, this guy, has got a lot of great things going on for him.

He has a good car. Fairly rich parents. Nice clothes. A f'ing briefcase for school. Constant confidence without any apparent reason for it.
He works out regularly and is built like an ox. I don't know how tall exactly he is but he's a little shorter than I am and I'm 6'4". The only thing that is wrong with his appearance, is some fairly bad acne on his face, but it doesn't seem to bother him.

Now, having said this, you guys may think "This guy must be the bomb! A great DJ!" ... well, exactly the opposite is true.

As long as I have known him, I have seen him talk to two girls. One of the two times, the girl was turned on by his muscles but then immediatly got turned off again by an unknown reason.
Now, I can't figure this out. This guy absolutely thinks he's the prize. His life rules, he's got everything he could possibly want. He's a hard worker, does everything the way he should, is honest, social, yadayadayada...

But not a SINGLE girl likes this guy. It's almost like girls are avoiding him.
This is what I don't get. It's illogical, it goes in against a lot of things stated on these boards but I still see this happen daily. I can't seem to grasp why women never find this guy attractive.

Has any one of you ever seen stuff like this?
I think there may be a very good lesson in watching this guy. This lesson primarily being:
It doesn't matter what you have, how you look or how successful you are. There are other, much more important factors that decide attraction.

But, if that's the case... what the hell are these factors? :D
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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DJ Mission

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Recommend Proactive. I doubt he has "no problem" with his acne.
 

AlexTheGreat

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maybe he just insults them ? maybe that confidence you speak of is actually arrogance ?

Try to actually be around him when he talks to a girl, to know what he's saying ... taht could help you understand WHY she was turned off.
 

Scrumtulescence

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ProActiv is kind of expensive, but you can go to Walgreens and get a product that's pretty much the exact same as Proactiv but for half the price--$20--called Acne Free.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Double

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-recommend him accutane

-every once in a while on this site there is a story about some atheletic, good looking,confident guy who can't get chicks.

uhh what a miracle, do we have to become AFC now to get chicks? after this shocking discovery.

or maybe he doesn't look that good? or maybe his confidence is nothing but annoying arrogance/fake-confidence? or maybe he lacks social skills?
being a DJ doesnt mean bragging and thinking you are the prize, it means knowing you are the prize but behaving like a normal person. Then you talk about her, see if you like her, and fvck her/eject

but whats the best of all.....you saw him talking to 2(!!!!!!!!) girls. how about him approaching some more girls? even for a master dj it is hard to get girls without talking to them.
 

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maybe recommend that he hits on more than two women. I'm sorry but even if you're a "DJ" you dont get every women on earth to like you. You gotta play the numbers.
 

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Or maybe....all this self improvement stuff isn't the best way to become successful because when you're improving your finances, looks, body, grades, job, possessions, etc., you aren't directly dealing with women in an seduction context. It's like the people who go on American Idol with all of this confidence because they got a makeover and learned to dance. They still need singing lessons!
 

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he's probably on steriod, that's why it's causing acne.. but it looks like he is around your age (or my age) so it's normal to have acne (I have lots on my sideburn) :(
 

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Is his acne better or worse than mine?


Here is my pic-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v614/CaliLove/CaliLove6.jpg

My experiences with acne -

I've had it for about 4 years now. It is getting MUCH better, although to many of you, the acne in the pic may be pretty significant. I admit that it's hurt my game on numerous occasions, but I've found that having a strong personality doubled with confidence easily takes attention away from facial complexion. Acne may be the reason girls aren't as attracted to your friend, but I'd suggest that there must be other reasons as well.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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alphawolfx

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could be that he thinks he's the prize... except around women.

i had no problem being confident around guys... but girls used to terrify me... now it's equal, i don't give a s.hit
 

Scrumtulescence

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Originally posted by tom121
he's probably on steriod, that's why it's causing acne.. but it looks like he is around your age (or my age) so it's normal to have acne (I have lots on my sideburn) :(
LOL.

Yeah, he's got facial acne. Must be steroids.
 

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Duhhhhhhhhh. Because despite what some dumbasses here will tell you, just "getting your life together" does not magically equal success with women.

If you don't know how to interact with women, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
 

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/\/\/\ absolutely, success and confidense with women is not unilateral with other aspects of life. Issues have to be handled on a case by case basis.
 

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maybe he has a scary face(some guys work on the body but never wash thier faces- i dun know). by the way because you seen him talk to 2 girls only dosnt mean he isnt successful with women, sometimes when a guy is good looking people expect you to carry your self as the prize, when you dont people take you for a ride- thats the curse of the handsome guys, thats why i always say that the most handsome men can be the most insecure.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Originally posted by skeeloo
maybe he has a scary face(some guys work on the body but never wash thier faces- i dun know). by the way because you seen him talk to 2 girls only dosnt mean he isnt successful with women, sometimes when a guy is good looking people expect you to carry your self as the prize, when you dont people take you for a ride- thats the curse of the handsome guys, thats why i always say that the most handsome men can be the most insecure.
good observation man.
 

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I agree with the majority here...you MUST approach women, it's a numbers game.

AZ
 

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If you seen him only talk to two women then its clear he doesnt think his life is asfantastic as he claims, he putting on a performance. If he wont approach women that means he lacks confidence, if he lacks confidenc that means he doesnt have everything. I can attest to this because i use to be the same way. I am fairly attractive, dress really well, have really nice locks that women compliment all the time, but the problem was I was very very arrogent. This repelled women, and the more attractive you are the more arrogence repels women because they are already intimadated by you. He needs to work on his people skills, and i dont mean talking. I mean how to deal with people in a way to make them comfortable around them. Once I did that, my life changed. My humility, and respectful demainior attracts more women then my arrogent personia ever did.
 

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Originally posted by Scrumtulescence
ProActiv is kind of expensive, but you can go to Walgreens and get a product that's pretty much the exact same as Proactiv but for half the price--$20--called Acne Free.
How effective is it?
 

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Originally posted by AlwaysExcel
Or maybe....all this self improvement stuff isn't the best way to become successful because when you're improving your finances, looks, body, grades, job, possessions, etc., you aren't directly dealing with women in an seduction context. It's like the people who go on American Idol with all of this confidence because they got a makeover and learned to dance. They still need singing lessons!
Good point...

However... how can he possibly excel at DJ'ing when he only talked to two chicks? It defies logic...
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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