So, the difference between friend-zone and bae-zone is timing?

[DiegoSantori]

After reading many opinions and watching a couple of videos, you simply have to be assertive from the very beginning and make out as soon as possible, otherwise she loses respect for you and doesn't see you as man anymore.

So, basically, it's all about timing. Right? I'm of two minds about this. I mean, would a woman really lose respect for George Clooney if he didn't try to kiss her on the first date? Wouldn't she still want him after 3 or 4 weeks even though he doesn't make approaches on her?

 

[Konada]

Personally I think why guys end up in the friendzone is because their actions are incongruent with their intentions. Believe me women can sniff this shvt out so fvcking easy its shocking.

If you want to fvck this girl, show it through your actions. Many guys are stuck in the mindset 'Oh if I do this will she reject me? What if I get slapped? etc.' All this time when the dude is mentally masturbating in his head, he's giving body language cues that he isn't really 'himself'. Most girls would be turned-off by this and hence the 'friendzone'.

 

[nismo-4]

Partially. The other part is how interested and attracted she is to you.

You can't multiply or amplify a nonexistent interest level.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

Partially. The other part is how interested and attracted she is to you.

You can't multiply or amplify a nonexistent interest level.

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[Yorkex]

If you do everything else right you DONT need to kiss on the first date. If you have the right body language , do a lot of kino, assert yourself as a dominant male then that will keep her interested.

I personally find the idea of kissing on the first date repulsive ...lool wtf , I don't know where your lips have been before the date.

I can recall ONLY kissing girls I had a relationship with. Plates and one night stands NEVER .