"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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So Suave posters problems summed up in one sentence.

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The problem with So Suave posters is they're all attracted to low quality trashy women.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Naughty Ninja said:
The problem with So Suave posters is they're all attracted to low quality trashy women.
You mean it's not that ALL women are cheating, lying, two-faced, evil, conniving, scummy freaks?

It's that the men here have serious self esteem issues and project them onto women?

No way!??!
 

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The reason they are attracted to trashy women is because they do not have their standards set high.
 
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gpshields3 said:
You mean it's not that ALL women are cheating, lying, two-faced, evil, conniving, scummy freaks?

It's that the men here have serious self esteem issues and project them onto women?

No way!??!
White women are not like that, GSPshields.
 

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gpshields3 said:
You mean it's not that ALL women are cheating, lying, two-faced, evil, conniving, scummy freaks?

It's that the men here have serious self esteem issues and project them onto women?

No way!??!
I like this iteration of gpshields better than number 2.

And yes Naughty Ninja you are right. The most importance things in choosing a person for a relationship:

1. Character
2. Personality
3. Looks

but the reality is we flip this order on our head.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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My motto is BBO.

Bad B!tches Only.
 

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Strange, I was just pondering this and you hit the nail on the head. "High Quality" women actually expect you to invest time (among other things) into them. They are the ones that flake on you, don't give out numbers to strangers, and don't f*** on the first night.

That being said, focus on improving yourself. Don't make women the focus.
 
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Props dude. There is so much negativity and jadedness on this board that it's challenging to find good quality posts by other positive men who live good lives.

Back on topic, I made a pact with myself last fall, after dating a girl who my friends generously described as a "dud" (daddy issues, attitude issues, chubby) that I would never date a loser chick who didn't have her shit together ever again. And I never looked back.

Coincidentally, I had to dump a girl tonight who admitted she had daddy issues and liked guys who treated her like trash. I had inklings that she wasn't as well put together as she presented herself, but I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt until I had evidence. I told her basically what I told you guys and she flipped her shit. I'm sure she'll be texting me in the morning apologizing and asking me to come over. Crazy girls, sheesh. :crazy:

Life's too short to waste time with loser chicks! Up your standards, guys.
 
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Here's a quick litmus test to ask yourself if it's worth being with a chick:

1. Would she contribute to my life, or drain away my free time and energy?
2. Would I proud to be seen in a public relationship with her? Meaning - would you be fine with introducing her to your family or co-workers?
3. Do I enjoy banging her?

If you answered "No" to 2 or more, why waste your time?
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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What really matters to me in a girl is her look and her availability to me in the short term, the rest is just an optional.

Im not looking for a girlfriend nor I think it takes a woman or a relationship to make my life worth.

Does any of you right thinkers buy a car based on the safety coefficient instead of the power and design?
 

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There is hardly any quality outhere. 90% of them are nuts and don't even try to hide their craziness and stupidity, regardless of the looks. That's western women in this day and age, they have no virtues to speak off. If you only go for really good people, I can imagine, that your dating pool will be extremely small.
 

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Mercenary of Love said:
1. Would she contribute to my life, or drain away my free time and energy?
2. Would I proud to be seen in a public relationship with her? Meaning - would you be fine with introducing her to your family or co-workers?
3. Do I enjoy banging her?
If the guy is virgin looser AFC with no life, then:

1. Any woman would contribute to his life, even if she is a complete drain to his time and energy.

2. He has been seen so many years alone, so finally having a woman besides him would make him feel proud.

3. Of course. Jerking off is the thing of the past.


This is to show that everything is relative, and Jedem das Seine, to each his own. Now problem is not aiming low, but what life throws at you.
 
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backseatjuan said:
If the guy is virgin looser AFC with no life, then:

1. Any woman would contribute to his life, even if she is a complete drain to his time and energy.

2. He has been seen so many years alone, so finally having a woman besides him would make him feel proud.

3. Of course. Jerking off is the thing of the past.


This is to show that everything is relative, and Jedem das Seine, to each his own. Now problem is not aiming low, but what life throws at you.
wtf? that's bs. i'm a virgin with no life and I just rejected a girl that wanted to be by my side because she was a huge ***** from the start when i met her and i knew she just wanted to **** me the first time i met her and that's why she was acting like a *****. it's not like i take any girl no matter how desperate the situation is just as long as she's hot. i'm not gonna let pride get in the way of what i feel like actually makes sense so yea you gotta learn your **** about virgins with no lives
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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thebiggestpimpever said:
wtf? that's bs. i'm a virgin with no life and I just rejected a girl that wanted to be by my side because she was a huge ***** from the start when i met her and i knew she just wanted to **** me the first time i met her and that's why she was acting like a *****. it's not like i take any girl no matter how desperate the situation is just as long as she's hot. i'm not gonna let pride get in the way of what i feel like actually makes sense so yea you gotta learn your **** about virgins with no lives
You call yourself the biggest pimp ever yet you're virgin, no surprise most of the advices given in this board recently contradict not only game but logic and common sense.
Do yourself a favour, since you are new to the board, bother yourself to read some messages before bashing other users when you disagree.

Im sure the user backseat juan didnt mean to offend any virgin or provoke anybody, what he actually meant was that even "low quality" girls would be a good step for a guy with no experience or past.
I agree with that, bad experiences in the beginning allow you to have good experiences later and in most of the cases are a necessary step to grow personaly,emotionally and sexually.
 

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You have to crawl before you can walk
True... true...

But keep in mind that many girls learn to walk at an early age, and the point is to keep them from walking all over YOU.

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Who Dares Win said:
You call yourself the biggest pimp ever yet you're virgin, no surprise most of the advices given in this board recently contradict not only game but logic and common sense.
Do yourself a favour, since you are new to the board, bother yourself to read some messages before bashing other users when you disagree.

Im sure the user backseat juan didnt mean to offend any virgin or provoke anybody, what he actually meant was that even "low quality" girls would be a good step for a guy with no experience or past.
I agree with that, bad experiences in the beginning allow you to have good experiences later and in most of the cases are a necessary step to grow personaly,emotionally and sexually.
Since I'm obviously a virgin by choice you might wanna explain how I can't still be a pimp dumbass.

hahah "bad experiences in the beginning" aww whodareswin has some embarrassing experiences. :crackup:
 

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thebiggestpimpever said:
Since I'm obviously a virgin by choice, you might wanna explain how I can't still be a pimp dumbass.

lol "bad experiences in the beginning" aww whodareswin has some embarrassing sexual experiences. :crackup: how cute
Virgin by choice. Yeah, me too!

Bahahaahhahaaha!
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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