"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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sleeping with ugly girls?

Jackalan

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just wondering, for the more experienced guys, did you start out picking up uglier girls/sleeping with uglier girls, like 5-7's before you were hitting on/sleeping with 9's and 10's?

at the moment im still strugling picking up better looking women, mostly due to lack of balls i admitt, like just not closing properly. but all the time i get constant interest from lower standard girls, which i only ever like if im drunk. but would you reccomend sleeping with these girls to gain confidence/sexual experience? or carry on aiming high and improving myself/my game.

also just read some guys signiture, something like 'we are not afraid of aiming high and failing, but we are afraid of aiming low and succeding.'
guesse that might answer my question eh.

but would be nice to know what you guys were like when you started off.
cheers
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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My first kiss was to me a 10. After that I stuck with 8 - 10 range girls, lowered my standards for two this year (a 7 and a 5 [only laid the 7]), because I was goin through a drought. And right now I'm on a streak of great looking girls.

But my point is it doesn't really matter what they look like in the long run, you can get them either way if you want to. Yeah, it may be easier to attract a 5 or lower, especially if you are attractive. But getting with better looking girls is no different, it's just a mental thing. Once you get past the point where youre intimidated and you treat them like any other girl, then you can do it.
 

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Personally, I was always going after 7.5's and above, but if I was having a pretty bad dry spell, I'd find a 5 or 6 to hook up with. I couldn't stand having long dry spells, masturbation just doesn't cut it anymore after a while ya know.
 

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Basically, ugly girls are stupid. Throughout mankind, we intelligent males have mated with the most beautiful women. Thus, it goes to show that, "mating" with an ugly chick will only make you and your offspring, dumber.
 

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Lol some ugly girls are nerds and super smart, not stupid.

But they DON'T have street smarts. And some "10s" are bimbos with a room temperature IQ who think "Moby D!ck" is a disease!

It all depends on the individual girl.

As for me, I've never slept with ugly chicks but I've kissed a few while I was drunk and I regretted it BIG TIME.

Nowadays I go after 8s and above, but keep in mind my 8s are about 3x bigger than the average guy's 8s. I believe in abundance not scarcity, hot chicks ARE out there, WORST case scenario you can always try craigslist or myspace, and I'd rather go a week with no success than try to seduce a girl that doesn't turn me on in the first place.
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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I basically started with a 10 in high school. Dated her for 2 years and then moved on. In new york its very hard to pick up gorgeous women due to the fact that they are all spoiled and dont even know what they want. So unless your experienced with picking up girls, it will be hard to sleep with a 10. It also all depends how your dressed, how you look and the way you approach them. Be different and make them laugh, thats the #1 rule in my opinion, always make them laugh, my second rule is be bossy, be a jerk. Control them, and you will be good to go picking up 10's, sleeping with them and the next day repeat.
 

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I used to think sleeping with lesser attractive women was a good way to get acclimated and build confidence, but experience has kind of made me do a 180 on that perspective. I've come to find that any time you settle for anything less than what you truly want, you are sending a subconscious message to yourself that this is all you can get and all you deserve. I've found that to be horribly self defeating in what I was trying to accomplish.

Now I find it's better to continuously try and fail in pursuing what you want and settle for nothing less. As long as you progress even the slightest bit past where you failed the previous time, it was a success and it's only a matter of time before you finally get what you want.
 

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cheers for replies ^^ had a 1 night stand last night with about a 7-8, and i feel better for doing it. and talking to girls today.. its like they know.
not sure what it is, maybe the mentality?
talking to a girl knowing you shagged someone else the night before makes it a lot easier to walk away without anything. or something like that.

.. and hell i learnt that i need to be better in bed etc. i was looking for the f*cking g spot for ages lol! its in and up, different feeling patch of skin? can anyone add to this?

thanks for help. i hope i can give something back to this comunity someday^
 

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Damn, I'm supposed to be meeting up with an ugly chick tonight....
 

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Jackalan said:
just wondering, for the more experienced guys, did you start out picking up uglier girls/sleeping with uglier girls, like 5-7's before you were hitting on/sleeping with 9's and 10's?

at the moment im still strugling picking up better looking women, mostly due to lack of balls i admitt, like just not closing properly. but all the time i get constant interest from lower standard girls, which i only ever like if im drunk. but would you reccomend sleeping with these girls to gain confidence/sexual experience? or carry on aiming high and improving myself/my game.
In order to have success, you have to start how with less attractive girls. A guy who has problems talking to women or relating to them cannot get a 10 in bed right away, it's a process that requires work.

Just like anything in life, no one wants to do anything the hard way. Picking up hot girls requires practice, time and effort. You don't get ripped in one day, you don't pass your SAT's by studying one day, you don't become an NHL player in one day, and Rome wasn't build in a day. You have to get good at having sex with less attractive girls and slowly work your way up. Granted, you could sleep with a hot 10/10 on the first try and when you have no sexual experience, but your odds are very very low if you have never done it before.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I dated an 8/8.5 by my standards and most guy's standards earlier this year and was still looking for better when I was dating her.

But I will say, that having her as the first girl I've dated gave my confidence a 180...knowing that she liked me for my looks...was at first easy to get along with, etc., and you'll never see me talk to anything below an 8-9. I'd rather do a little more work and go through a dry spell when I'm not getting success than settle.

Think of it this way, most guys are intimidated by them. Most of the guys they go out with are in their social circle or a guy they're introduced to or something. If you're a guy that's not fat or bald or butt-ugly, dresses well, and talks to them, you're already half way there. It's just a number's game from there.
 

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I've fvcked ugly girls and hot girls. Personally, I think its better to start with average girls. Build up your game and confidence then, hit the 10's with your venom!
 

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I've fvcked ugly girls and hot girls. Personally, I think its better to start with average girls. Build up your game and confidence then, hit the 10's with your venom!
indeed, i know a few guys like this, who even though they may sleep with hot girls, they still sleep around with uglier girls. and in another light i know a few guys who only talk to hot girls, who still do well. maybe its not so black and white.
 

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Its useless ranking girls on a scale of 1-10 here. Sombodies 7 could be somebody elses 4 or worse. Or a rough 9 could be a 5 for someone else. Why do people still encourage ranking girls on these scales? Its pedestalling enough as it is. I've completely stopped as of this text.

But to the OPs question, I will never compensate for Ugly girls if I wasn't scoring with the Hotter Babes - Wouldn't it just be better to beat that Tallywacker?
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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i see your point ^^ but im starting off be honest, only slept with 2 girls before friday, and they werent exactly smoking.

maybe just saying ugly girls isnt the best word.. girls that are maybe just below your standards. maybe she isnt smart at all.. maybe she is a bit boring, maybe she looks pretty now but she wouldnt so much be had you not had a few drinks.maybe she has **** sense of humour.. whatever

you catch my drift?
 

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black-n-white911 said:
im gonna sex my first fat girl lol. she aint that big, jus kinda chubby =]
Don't worry, we all make mistakes... Like I say on my exams: Participating is more important than winning!
 

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I slept with an ugly girl at 3am on saturday..lol face was a 2 body was a 10..

in emergency cases i thin its of to F ugly girls as long as you dont date them.. but fat girls is a deffinate NO!!!
 

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at the end of the day - do what you want. If you wanna sleep with subpar girls to get your end off when there's not much else available - do it. I've done in plenty of times and so have sh1tloads of other people. Just don't bother dating them :D
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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