"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Slaying... how?

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Hi!

I got inspired reading the The DJ Tip of the Day (11-8-2004). Ofcourse I can recognize myself in the situation described initially by the author.

I once had this girlfriend, who I always felt I treated pretty badly, never had time, hardly never called her when I was suppose to etc. Thinking to myself, "my god, I can't threat this woman like this, I better break up with her"...and I did. Back then, clearly, I wasnt really interested in her. I dont really know why cus she's truly gorgeuos, I guess I found her not challanging enough and to pull a cliché, "its hard to see what you got until you lose it". After breaking up, she was totally dependant on me and I could do whatever I felt like doing with her, whatever relationship she was currently engaged in or whatever the circumstances. At some point though I started to want her back a little, this quickly turned the situation up-side-down and I was now the needy person. Not realising what was happening (was'nt even 1% DJ back then) I let her know how much I liked her, wrote her letters (among other things) telling her how much more time I would invest in her etc if she ever could "forgive me" giving her full control. Basicly treating her what I thought was in the best interest of getting her interested again, not realising slightest that it was the little resonse I gave her back then that triggered all those "feelings" of hers, not the lack of respect or response. I now (20-30% DJ) have the understanding of this basic situation and I do realise that she's perfectly impossible to retrieve, any effort I spend here will be lost effort.

To bring forth the question, the author mentioned how one need to slay his nice guy attributes, as follows:

"Slaying this persona is probably the most painful growing experience a person can go through."

How, exactly, does one do that? I'm willing to sacrifice a lot in the process of getting there, pain I will accept. If there is a book on this subject which you can recommend, or even better, a page here which covers this I would be very happy.

Thanks!
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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you know that feeling in your heart/penis when you cant get laid over a girl you didnt think you like too much? dont make the mistake of spilling your guts unless you enjoy getting that feeling, because unless you wind up getting married to the girl it WILL happen
 

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See the subtle link in the top right hand corner that reads DJ Bible?

Yeah, thats the one...
Go make friends with it.

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hahaha....go make friends with it
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

Read more...

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But what traits are the classic characteristic traits for a 'nice guy', which are of highest priority to get rid of? are there any certain effective ways of removing those?
 
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