"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
skinny to muscles
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Mr Wright
Master Don Juan
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Muscles help, but they aren't that important. Lift for yourself and not for girls. Most kids who lift to get a 6 pack to show on the beach will quit after 6 months. Many others will quit because they have no dedication and won't make any progress by doing curls and bench press 6 times a week to look big in a shirt. All these kids lift to attract girls, then when the noobgains are gone they will get mad and quit aswell.
Purefilth
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
For attraction, women are traditionally attracted to the guys with big arms and chests, something a skinny guy doesn't have, so surely getting a little bigger could only help in this regard. Although I don't think it necessarily has to be muscles, just ensure you get that V shape.
Gunner
Aged 29, 154 lb, and 6'2 so look very thin. To boot I look very young/pretty boyish so lots of girls don't think I'm manly enough for them.
It sucks as lots of the girls I attract are between 19 and 25 age range
Tried growing a beard to look older but it looked ridiculous.Fgured iif I bulked out a bit I would look older and more grown up
-Gripz-
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A lot of girls ARE attracted to a guy with a good body...but not all.
There are a good number of skinny guys who pull women.
With that being said, I definitely do work out.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
yyc12
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Kidquick said:
At around 5'8-5'9 myself, I definitely understand that we need all the help we can get.
However, I've noticed that it's more about attitude and charisma when you're "that short".
Sure muscles do help (I'm athletic looking), but women flock to me more when my fun-loving attitude and irresistible charisma are ON POINT, rather than when I look extra swole or something. I've noticed the same from observing other shorter guys also.
I would say that it goes for shorter guys:
1. Face
2. Attitude & Charisma
3. Build
~ BSmooth
new guy hereHyper2010 said:
lifting for over 1 year, before that I was on a weightloss challenge and lost 60lbs
how can a skinny guy like you get more muscle?
1. eat as much as you can, particularly wholegrains & natural forms of protein.
fat, salt and carbs are irrelevant.. just eat!
2. lift regularly, starting with benchpress, squats & deadlift.
don't worry about isolation excercises.. just start working on the big three.
try get 1gram of protein per 1lb of lean body mass
Yes, being fit & healthy has exponentially increased the quality and quality of my dates.
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Women can absolutely be a factor as to why you start training, but it should not be the only factor. This is just one part of making you a more complete man, if anything it will help you become more focused, more hardworking, you will notice yourself becoming more confident and driven -- it is all part of the package of self improvement and working on yourself for YOU. You gotta Patrick Bateman the **** out of it.
True for me also. Become who you want to be, not the guy that the girl you're currently interested in wants in a guy. Not all girls like a lot of muscle on guys, but also they have weird ideas about what 'too big' is or 'too muscly is', you just gotta leave it all in context and become the best person you can be, and people will notice.
Naturally getting girls will be part of that but to truly make good gains you will want to be in it for the full package.
You will be required to eat fairly strictly, getting your nutrition sorted as other posters have mentioned. Keep it simple when you start out, get a good program and eat a lot. When you're really skinny with a fast metabolism you have to be eating all the time. 5-6 meals a day type thing, with good sleep.
Keep in mind the other advantages of being a better built man. Each person has their 'thing'. If you're a weirdly skinny guy with not much dress sense, then people will look at you and probably not think much of you no matter what you are inside. If you pack on some mass, get your dress sorted, you can make an impression on people. Forget specifically girls right now, because attention from people in general, or should I say respect - can help you immensely, even if that respect is built on nothing. It doesn't matter -- it's a way in the door. You can take it from there. If you're a well dress built guy who seems friendly or interesting, you demand some kind of attention that your otherwise way too skinny self might not get. And girls pick up on this. Guys pick up on this. People will want to be around you, your social status will increase. This is not to say you have to be built, but it is one way to get to this type of level.
Again though, this is not a get in the gym, do some bad form curls for 6 months and get ripped type of deal. You have to spend the time transforming your lifestyle to make it worthwhile, and it absolutely will be if you let it.
As a nattylifter all your gains will stop after a while, most kids get noobgains and gain 15 pounds muscles the first year and they get all excited thinking they will look like Arnold in 1-2 years. It just goes slower and slower and then it will stop.
Just some tips: If you have an athletic build, wear slimfit on all your clothes to show off the V-taper. There's no point wearing XL-shirts if you are 160 pounds, you will look malnourished. If you have a hard time increasing your appetite, try to drink as much water as possible in between meals and ALWAYS chew gum after each meal to speed up the digestion. Chewing gum has been a lifesaver when I bulk up.
The summer is yet to come so I am still waiting for the possibilities to observe the effects.
Purefilth
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I dont believe you. - Thats what i said in the beginning too.Dom1noe said:
Still, 150 - 180, thats a great change. well done so far.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.