"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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- Thread starter Hyper2010
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Mr Wright
Master Don Juan
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Muscles help, but they aren't that important. Lift for yourself and not for girls. Most kids who lift to get a 6 pack to show on the beach will quit after 6 months. Many others will quit because they have no dedication and won't make any progress by doing curls and bench press 6 times a week to look big in a shirt. All these kids lift to attract girls, then when the noobgains are gone they will get mad and quit aswell.
Purefilth
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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
For attraction, women are traditionally attracted to the guys with big arms and chests, something a skinny guy doesn't have, so surely getting a little bigger could only help in this regard. Although I don't think it necessarily has to be muscles, just ensure you get that V shape.
Gunner
Aged 29, 154 lb, and 6'2 so look very thin. To boot I look very young/pretty boyish so lots of girls don't think I'm manly enough for them.
It sucks as lots of the girls I attract are between 19 and 25 age range
Tried growing a beard to look older but it looked ridiculous.Fgured iif I bulked out a bit I would look older and more grown up
-Gripz-
Don Juan
A lot of girls ARE attracted to a guy with a good body...but not all.
There are a good number of skinny guys who pull women.
With that being said, I definitely do work out.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
yyc12
Senior Don Juan
Kidquick said:
At around 5'8-5'9 myself, I definitely understand that we need all the help we can get.
However, I've noticed that it's more about attitude and charisma when you're "that short".
Sure muscles do help (I'm athletic looking), but women flock to me more when my fun-loving attitude and irresistible charisma are ON POINT, rather than when I look extra swole or something. I've noticed the same from observing other shorter guys also.
I would say that it goes for shorter guys:
1. Face
2. Attitude & Charisma
3. Build
~ BSmooth
new guy hereHyper2010 said:
lifting for over 1 year, before that I was on a weightloss challenge and lost 60lbs
how can a skinny guy like you get more muscle?
1. eat as much as you can, particularly wholegrains & natural forms of protein.
fat, salt and carbs are irrelevant.. just eat!
2. lift regularly, starting with benchpress, squats & deadlift.
don't worry about isolation excercises.. just start working on the big three.
try get 1gram of protein per 1lb of lean body mass
Yes, being fit & healthy has exponentially increased the quality and quality of my dates.
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Women can absolutely be a factor as to why you start training, but it should not be the only factor. This is just one part of making you a more complete man, if anything it will help you become more focused, more hardworking, you will notice yourself becoming more confident and driven -- it is all part of the package of self improvement and working on yourself for YOU. You gotta Patrick Bateman the **** out of it.
True for me also. Become who you want to be, not the guy that the girl you're currently interested in wants in a guy. Not all girls like a lot of muscle on guys, but also they have weird ideas about what 'too big' is or 'too muscly is', you just gotta leave it all in context and become the best person you can be, and people will notice.
Naturally getting girls will be part of that but to truly make good gains you will want to be in it for the full package.
You will be required to eat fairly strictly, getting your nutrition sorted as other posters have mentioned. Keep it simple when you start out, get a good program and eat a lot. When you're really skinny with a fast metabolism you have to be eating all the time. 5-6 meals a day type thing, with good sleep.
Keep in mind the other advantages of being a better built man. Each person has their 'thing'. If you're a weirdly skinny guy with not much dress sense, then people will look at you and probably not think much of you no matter what you are inside. If you pack on some mass, get your dress sorted, you can make an impression on people. Forget specifically girls right now, because attention from people in general, or should I say respect - can help you immensely, even if that respect is built on nothing. It doesn't matter -- it's a way in the door. You can take it from there. If you're a well dress built guy who seems friendly or interesting, you demand some kind of attention that your otherwise way too skinny self might not get. And girls pick up on this. Guys pick up on this. People will want to be around you, your social status will increase. This is not to say you have to be built, but it is one way to get to this type of level.
Again though, this is not a get in the gym, do some bad form curls for 6 months and get ripped type of deal. You have to spend the time transforming your lifestyle to make it worthwhile, and it absolutely will be if you let it.
As a nattylifter all your gains will stop after a while, most kids get noobgains and gain 15 pounds muscles the first year and they get all excited thinking they will look like Arnold in 1-2 years. It just goes slower and slower and then it will stop.
Just some tips: If you have an athletic build, wear slimfit on all your clothes to show off the V-taper. There's no point wearing XL-shirts if you are 160 pounds, you will look malnourished. If you have a hard time increasing your appetite, try to drink as much water as possible in between meals and ALWAYS chew gum after each meal to speed up the digestion. Chewing gum has been a lifesaver when I bulk up.
The summer is yet to come so I am still waiting for the possibilities to observe the effects.
Purefilth
Master Don Juan
I dont believe you. - Thats what i said in the beginning too.Dom1noe said:
Still, 150 - 180, thats a great change. well done so far.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.