"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Sinking the ship on Valentines day?

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So my question is:
Would wishing someone a Happy Valentines Day sink the ship?

Coz I've read all them articles about lose lips sink ships, never confess to a girl you like her, blah blah blah. BUT! Giving a girl a call and simple saying, "Happy Valentines day", would that tell her I like her and weird her out? I dunno. Was planning on doing nothing. Shes still in school, I'm finished. But my sis came home and said, "So did you do anything for Sarah?"
Me: "Nope"
Sis: "Ohh not a good move, gotta do something".
Wouldn't it be all weird? Spose depends on the situation, but generally speaking?

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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Personally I think that if you like the girl, she would probably have felt some of those vibes by now, so calling her and saying happy valentines to her wouldn't really blow your cover (that you like her) , it would probably show that you care and could possibly win yourselves some points? but getting her something would be different as you would need planning and since she is not your valentine, it wouldn't be necessary to get gifts. Thats just my 2 cents on the situation, correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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oh well, with a 1.7mil population in Brisbane, there are bound to be more easy pickings :D
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Originally posted by redbyte
:down: boooo that sucked. how awkward.
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lol for some reason that made me laugh.

Oh well, no big deal. Lots of things are awkward.
 
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Originally posted by redbyte
:down: boooo that sucked. how awkward.
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What happened?

Convo?

You prob went wrong somewhere so we can give pointers if you right what you said?
 
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Her: Hello?
Me: Heyyy, happy valentines day.
Her: ...you too.
Me: mmm...
[pause]
Me: Soooo...

She was doing some heavy homework. Quite possibly I disrupted her workflow.
Bah! And I thought chicks appreciated this crap.
It's not like we don't get along. We went to the formal together, we kino each other frequently, she invited me to camp with her about a month ago, our group of friends are quite positive she's into me and tell me frequently to, "hurry up and ask her out". Never fear Captain Procrastination is here! So maybe I waited too long. Phone call wasn't all that bad, lasted for 18mins. My guess is she was tired, yeah.... I'll go with that. :cool:
Live 'n' learn.
 
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18 minutes?! jesus.

my last phone call with a prospect: 3 minutes. i checked. i thought we'd been on the phone too long, actually.
 
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Originally posted by redbyte
Her: Hello?
Me: Heyyy, happy valentines day.
Her: ...you too.
Me: mmm...
[pause]
Me: Soooo...

She was doing some heavy homework. Quite possibly I disrupted her workflow.
Bah! And I thought chicks appreciated this crap.
It's not like we don't get along. We went to the formal together, we kino each other frequently, she invited me to camp with her about a month ago, our group of friends are quite positive she's into me and tell me frequently to, "hurry up and ask her out". Never fear Captain Procrastination is here! So maybe I waited too long. Phone call wasn't all that bad, lasted for 18mins. My guess is she was tired, yeah.... I'll go with that. :cool:
Live 'n' learn.
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I would never ring someone to say Happy Valentines day.....Its not a big celebrational day. You would have been better dropping her a card or rose......
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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hmm interesting thread.

I *almost* wanted to make some sort of a nice gesture for my oneitis (who has a boyfriend lol) but then decided no way. AFC move.

I'd rather let her wonder about whether I like her or not. In fact, I am 100% sure that her boyfriend is not going to do sh!t for her, but her many admirers that are constantly chasing her will do stupid crap like send her flowers. I don't wanna be one of those dudes. I wanna be one of the guys she chases instead.
 
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I'm with Egoist on this.

I have several prospects that I'm not doing anything for Valentines. Why? I'll let them figure out why. Am I busy? Who am I with? What are they doing? I bet the V-day sex he's having is hot. Whatever little fantasies these women will cook up in their head will have more/better effect than anything I could buy/do/say for on Valentine's Day.
 
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caf caf caf!

Originally posted by redbyte
Her: Hello?
Me: Heyyy, happy valentines day.
Her: ...you too.
Me: mmm...
[pause]
Me: Soooo...

She was doing some heavy homework. Quite possibly I disrupted her workflow.
Bah! And I thought chicks appreciated this crap.
It's not like we don't get along. We went to the formal together, we kino each other frequently, she invited me to camp with her about a month ago, our group of friends are quite positive she's into me and tell me frequently to, "hurry up and ask her out". Never fear Captain Procrastination is here! So maybe I waited too long. Phone call wasn't all that bad, lasted for 18mins. My guess is she was tired, yeah.... I'll go with that. :cool:
Live 'n' learn.
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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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