greatsnake
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are single moms so sexy at first, then become these sour beings? or have they been sour all along and just mask it well?
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
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"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
The biggest deal is they will always love their kid/kids more than you. You get second place…
If she has two or more, you are an accessory expected to play daddy…
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AJ84
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A person's parenting status typically does not define them as a stereotype applicable to everyone who shares the same status, despite what you read on this forum. Some people tend to take a few negative experiences with the opposite sex then apply negative attributes to every member of the opposite sex ie single mom = bitter/desperate/easy/welfare case/ damaged etc etc.
I have met lots of sour people in my life, and most of them were not single moms.
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AJ84
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My brother dated a single mom who he found out missed her son's very first school play to go on a date with him. He didn't feel good about that and thought it was a sh*tty thing to do to her kid. He didn't date her for long because he lost respect for her because of that.
Parents should put their kids first. Anyone dating a single parent shouldn't expect to be that person's priority. If that's what they want, to be another person's priority, then they should not date anyone who has other priorities in life, basically.
RichardTheFrog
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Not true! Sometimes they love crack!
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
greatsnake
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Yeah, I can’t see how guys can become a #2 in the relationship. I tried to be open minded but I couldn’t.
Dash Riprock
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I've dated a number of single moms and they're also no BS and generally a lot more responsible than other women their age, especially if in their 30's. Look for ones that have a good relationship with their ex as in a solid co-parenting agreement. This plus a solid relationship with their parents and you've got a golden girl. Who the f*uck cares if her kids are her #1 priority? Good. Takes the heat off of you. She shouldn't be your #1 either.
greatsnake
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I did it for a while because the sex was amazing. Thankfully I got out of it unscathed.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
It's was not amazing because she has had kids, it's already loose.
You did it because she was easy.
greatsnake
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No, she was pretty tight
Yeah, it was easy. Hit a home run after the second date. The oddest part was that she told me she had a kid after 1 month lmao
The Duke
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For you guys that complain about being "2nd" to her kids......can you provide some examples? I am always happy to be 2nd at times. It gives me freedom, it provides a break, I can do my own thing and not be expected to hang out with her. I see it as a good thing in that regard.
She doesn't need to drop what she is doing for me. I wouldn't do that for her either. I usually put myself first, then everybody else. My girl should do the same thing.
She doesn't need to drop what she is doing for me. I wouldn't do that for her either. I usually put myself first, then everybody else. My girl should do the same thing.
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AJ84
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Some guys need more female attention than others, just like some girls need more male attention than others. Guys and girls who are less insecure and genuinely have other stuff going on tend to be less needy.
So in your case, you got other stuff going on so less needy and ideal for women who also have other stuff going on. One compliments the other and you tend to appreciate more and take for granted less
Funny...I have dated many single moms and am currently in a LTR with a single mom a decade younger than I.As you start to get older (I'm 46) single moms are a good option.As @Howiestern said they are busy so they can give you plenty of space.I live over 90 miles from mine and we meet up on the weekends.We rotate one weekend I drive to see her,then the next weekend she drives to see me,this has been going on since Dec of 2016 we have only missed 1 weekend.OP mine is not sour at all there is just sparks in and out of the bedroom.I suggest if you are interested in single moms that you find a high caliber one,one that is not on welfare and one that has a good job and is not clingy that is my idea of a unicorn.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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AJ84
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I was a single mom, got married when I was young had a baby got divorced and remarried last year to a guy I've been with for several years.
Just so there's no confusion or assumptions: I have a good education, a good job, good income, and my own condo, which I had before meeting my now husband. Was never on welfare, never easy, and for your info, it's not loose down there
No drama, get along with the ex, who has another child now that I have over to my place for sleepovers with her half sister, my daughter.But why do you ask?
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AJ84
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Careful don't choke haha.
I don't want to come off as shaming men for not wanting to date single moms. It's not everyone's thing. I get that. But as a single mom who wasn't a welfare case with baby daddy drama looking for some sap to take care of us, I get tired of this stereotype of all single moms. Not all single moms are the same.
I had a guy say that if I wasn't a single mom he would date me. I was disppointed but not angry, and I appreciated his honesty. To each their own, but the generalizations are annoying, that's all.
I don't want to come off as shaming men for not wanting to date single moms. It's not everyone's thing. I get that. But as a single mom who wasn't a welfare case with baby daddy drama looking for some sap to take care of us, I get tired of this stereotype of all single moms. Not all single moms are the same.
I had a guy say that if I wasn't a single mom he would date me. I was disppointed but not angry, and I appreciated his honesty. To each their own, but the generalizations are annoying, that's all.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.