"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Should you pay for dinner? Yes

guywhoneedshelp

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TheChosenJuan said:
Contrary to popular belief, paying for a woman's dinner has nothing to do with "buying affection". The initial attraction has already been established from the fact she's out on a date with you. The question here is WHY aren't you paying? Because you're worried about looking like a wuss. In other words, it's insecurity no matter what anybody tells you.

Confident guys pay because we want to. :up:
I generally will pay for a dinner if I'm taking a girl out to a restaurant for the first time, if it's my idea. What I mean is, I'm the one choosing the restaurant (probably going to be expensive) and I'm not going to expect the girl to be able to afford it. I'm 21 and I understand that most people my age aren't in the financial shape I am.
 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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drak_ool

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I say the most important thing is not to make a rule out of it.

In general, on my first dinner date i'll go dutch, but then on subsequent dates I'll pay if I'm the one choosing the restaurant. If she protests, then I tell her next time she has to take me out. When she chooses the place, of course I don't pay...
 

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This is the problem I've had to overcome. Greek culture, like Middle Eastern culture, is all about the boasting through 'generosity'. You will literally see grown-men fight to pay the bill. Once, the idea of me going dutch appalled me. How could any man give up his honour like that? But then I realised that doing it with women shuts them right down.

I have no issue paying for dates if it's been a steady LTR. Or if I know that she's returning a 'favour'.
 

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jogel13 said:
more of like... is that friendzone behavior?
Yeah, it could be...normally you could tell if it is a friendzone at the end of the night.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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splendid u sound a bit frugal. I take the high road, enjoy their company, and pay for dinner. this isnt a 50-50 world, we ARE the hunters, the persuers. I get tons of p---- so it works for me.

Edit: Read below, Allurere knows his stuff
 
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Allurre

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I would suggest paying for FIRST dates, always. It's a gentlemanly thing to do. It's courtesy.

Don't be cheap.

On top of that, your first dates shouldn't have to resort to fine dining under the company of a 5-star chef either.
 
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