"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Should you pay for dinner? Yes

guywhoneedshelp

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TheChosenJuan said:
Contrary to popular belief, paying for a woman's dinner has nothing to do with "buying affection". The initial attraction has already been established from the fact she's out on a date with you. The question here is WHY aren't you paying? Because you're worried about looking like a wuss. In other words, it's insecurity no matter what anybody tells you.

Confident guys pay because we want to. :up:
I generally will pay for a dinner if I'm taking a girl out to a restaurant for the first time, if it's my idea. What I mean is, I'm the one choosing the restaurant (probably going to be expensive) and I'm not going to expect the girl to be able to afford it. I'm 21 and I understand that most people my age aren't in the financial shape I am.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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drak_ool

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I say the most important thing is not to make a rule out of it.

In general, on my first dinner date i'll go dutch, but then on subsequent dates I'll pay if I'm the one choosing the restaurant. If she protests, then I tell her next time she has to take me out. When she chooses the place, of course I don't pay...
 

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This is the problem I've had to overcome. Greek culture, like Middle Eastern culture, is all about the boasting through 'generosity'. You will literally see grown-men fight to pay the bill. Once, the idea of me going dutch appalled me. How could any man give up his honour like that? But then I realised that doing it with women shuts them right down.

I have no issue paying for dates if it's been a steady LTR. Or if I know that she's returning a 'favour'.
 

women haze

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jogel13 said:
more of like... is that friendzone behavior?
Yeah, it could be...normally you could tell if it is a friendzone at the end of the night.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

Read more...

Joe Stud

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splendid u sound a bit frugal. I take the high road, enjoy their company, and pay for dinner. this isnt a 50-50 world, we ARE the hunters, the persuers. I get tons of p---- so it works for me.

Edit: Read below, Allurere knows his stuff
 
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Allurre

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I would suggest paying for FIRST dates, always. It's a gentlemanly thing to do. It's courtesy.

Don't be cheap.

On top of that, your first dates shouldn't have to resort to fine dining under the company of a 5-star chef either.
 
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