"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Should you move in with her?

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I thought I would post some information for the all the guys out there who are looking for LTRs. There is a lot of confusing information in the media regarding the topic of living with a woman. In fact a lot of women today think that it is the right thing to do.

well.. let's take a look at what researchers have found about living together before marriage. Two researchers summarized the findings of numerous studies by stating that "expectation of a positive relationship between cohabitation and marital stability . . . has been shattered in recent years by studies conducted in several Western countries."


What the studies discovered is this: if you don't want to get divorced, don't move in until after the wedding. Why is that? Consider the following facts about cohabitation: Most couples who live together never end up getting married, but those who do tie the knot are almost twice as likely to divorce as couples who don't live together before marriage.ii Overall, the divorce rate of cohabiting couples is about eighty percent,iii and non-virgin brides are sixty percent more likely to end up divorced than women who enter marriage as virgins.iv Couples who cohabited prior to marriage have greater marital conflict and poorer communication, and they made more frequent visits to marriage counselors.v Women who cohabited before marriage are more than three times as likely to cheat on their husbands within marriage.vi The US Justice Department found that women who cohabit are sixty-two times more likely to be assaulted by a live-in boyfriend than by a husband.vii They were also more than three times as likely to be depressed as married women,viii and the couples were less sexually satisfied than those who waited for marriage.ix

So, from a standpoint of marital duration, marital peace, marital fidelity, physical safety, emotional well-being, and sexual satisfaction, cohabitation isn't exactly a recipe for happiness. Even USA Today reported, "Could this be true love? Test it with courtship, not cohabitation."x You may assume that if the couple had lived together a bit longer, they would have ironed out the difficulties and not had these problems in marriage. The studies show the opposite: longer cohabitations are associated with a higher likelihood of divorce.xi The divorce rate speaks for itself.




here are the sources of this information...

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i William G. Axinn and Arland Thornton, "The Relation Between Cohabitation and Divorce: Selectivity or Casual Influence?" Demography 29, 1992, 357-374. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 57.
ii Bumpass and Sweet 1995; Hall and Zhao 1995) As quoted in focus on the Family brochure "Five reasons you need a 'piece of paper.'"
iii Kim Camplisson, "Celebrating Christian Marriage," The Southern Cross, April 26, 2001, 8.
iv National Survey of Family Growth, Dr. Kahn, Dr. London. As reported at www.members.aol.com/cohabiting/soc.htm.
v Elizabeth Thompson and Ugo Colella, "Cohabitation and Marital Stability: Quality or Comiitment?" Journal of Marriage and the Family 54, 1992, 263. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 57.; John D. Cunningham and John K. Antill, "Cohabitation and Marriage: Retrospective and Predictive Consequences," Journal of Social and Personal Relationships 11, 1994, 90. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 58.
vi Tanfer, Koray, and Forste, Renata. "Sexual Exclusivity Among Dating, Cohabiting, and Married Women," Journal of Marriage and Family, February 1996, 33-47. As quoted in Five reasons you need the "Piece of Paper" Focus on the Family, 2000.
vii Colson, 1995, as quoted in Five reasons you need the "Piece of Paper" Focus on the Family, 2000 .
viii Lee Robins and Darrell Regier, Psychiatric Disorders in America: The Epidemiologic Catchment Area Study (New York: Free Press, 1991), p. 64. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 66-67.
ix Hering 1994:4, as quoted in Five reasons you need the "Piece of Paper" Focus on the Family, 2000 .
x William Mattox, Jr, "Could This be True Love? Test it with Courtship, not Cohabitation," USA Today, Arlington; Feb 10, 2000.
xi Elizabeth Thompson and Ugo Colella, 1992, p. 266. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 57.

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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Well I think with the cohabitation people still have a sense of freedom, and when they get married they are still living together so it feels like nothing has changed. And then come the flood of problems...
 

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Yeah I agree with you. people who live with each other are still on their best behavior.

I think that unless you are serous with a woman to the point of her being marriage material keep her at a distance.

In fact, a man should always maintain a distance from his girl. It just isn't right to always be around your woman.

I think the other good point made above is that virgins can be trusted more
 

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anakin didn't listen to obiwan about women and i got a spiffy assistant to bring doom and destruction to all those that oppose my empire.
 

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it may also have something to do with the TYPE OF PEPOLE that move in thogether wersus the once that marry and then move in....

for example; -white trash, and getho people are most likely to move in first.
-imigrants are from countries with strict marige views (arab countries, some african, and some eouropean countries) are more likely to get merried first

I have a feeling I might get flamed for this:p
 

“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Originally posted by spider_007
it may also have something to do with the TYPE OF PEPOLE that move in thogether wersus the once that marry and then move in....

for example; -white trash, and getho people are most likely to move in first.
-imigrants are from countries with strict marige views (arab countries, some african, and some eouropean countries) are more likely to get merried first

I have a feeling I might get flamed for this:p
no... I wouldn't flame you for that. It is true. Americanized women have totally lost sight of the values they used to hold dear.
 
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