"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Should you move in with her?

00Kevin

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I thought I would post some information for the all the guys out there who are looking for LTRs. There is a lot of confusing information in the media regarding the topic of living with a woman. In fact a lot of women today think that it is the right thing to do.

well.. let's take a look at what researchers have found about living together before marriage. Two researchers summarized the findings of numerous studies by stating that "expectation of a positive relationship between cohabitation and marital stability . . . has been shattered in recent years by studies conducted in several Western countries."


What the studies discovered is this: if you don't want to get divorced, don't move in until after the wedding. Why is that? Consider the following facts about cohabitation: Most couples who live together never end up getting married, but those who do tie the knot are almost twice as likely to divorce as couples who don't live together before marriage.ii Overall, the divorce rate of cohabiting couples is about eighty percent,iii and non-virgin brides are sixty percent more likely to end up divorced than women who enter marriage as virgins.iv Couples who cohabited prior to marriage have greater marital conflict and poorer communication, and they made more frequent visits to marriage counselors.v Women who cohabited before marriage are more than three times as likely to cheat on their husbands within marriage.vi The US Justice Department found that women who cohabit are sixty-two times more likely to be assaulted by a live-in boyfriend than by a husband.vii They were also more than three times as likely to be depressed as married women,viii and the couples were less sexually satisfied than those who waited for marriage.ix

So, from a standpoint of marital duration, marital peace, marital fidelity, physical safety, emotional well-being, and sexual satisfaction, cohabitation isn't exactly a recipe for happiness. Even USA Today reported, "Could this be true love? Test it with courtship, not cohabitation."x You may assume that if the couple had lived together a bit longer, they would have ironed out the difficulties and not had these problems in marriage. The studies show the opposite: longer cohabitations are associated with a higher likelihood of divorce.xi The divorce rate speaks for itself.




here are the sources of this information...

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i William G. Axinn and Arland Thornton, "The Relation Between Cohabitation and Divorce: Selectivity or Casual Influence?" Demography 29, 1992, 357-374. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 57.
ii Bumpass and Sweet 1995; Hall and Zhao 1995) As quoted in focus on the Family brochure "Five reasons you need a 'piece of paper.'"
iii Kim Camplisson, "Celebrating Christian Marriage," The Southern Cross, April 26, 2001, 8.
iv National Survey of Family Growth, Dr. Kahn, Dr. London. As reported at www.members.aol.com/cohabiting/soc.htm.
v Elizabeth Thompson and Ugo Colella, "Cohabitation and Marital Stability: Quality or Comiitment?" Journal of Marriage and the Family 54, 1992, 263. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 57.; John D. Cunningham and John K. Antill, "Cohabitation and Marriage: Retrospective and Predictive Consequences," Journal of Social and Personal Relationships 11, 1994, 90. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 58.
vi Tanfer, Koray, and Forste, Renata. "Sexual Exclusivity Among Dating, Cohabiting, and Married Women," Journal of Marriage and Family, February 1996, 33-47. As quoted in Five reasons you need the "Piece of Paper" Focus on the Family, 2000.
vii Colson, 1995, as quoted in Five reasons you need the "Piece of Paper" Focus on the Family, 2000 .
viii Lee Robins and Darrell Regier, Psychiatric Disorders in America: The Epidemiologic Catchment Area Study (New York: Free Press, 1991), p. 64. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 66-67.
ix Hering 1994:4, as quoted in Five reasons you need the "Piece of Paper" Focus on the Family, 2000 .
x William Mattox, Jr, "Could This be True Love? Test it with Courtship, not Cohabitation," USA Today, Arlington; Feb 10, 2000.
xi Elizabeth Thompson and Ugo Colella, 1992, p. 266. As quoted in Why Marriage Matters, p. 57.

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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Well I think with the cohabitation people still have a sense of freedom, and when they get married they are still living together so it feels like nothing has changed. And then come the flood of problems...
 

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Yeah I agree with you. people who live with each other are still on their best behavior.

I think that unless you are serous with a woman to the point of her being marriage material keep her at a distance.

In fact, a man should always maintain a distance from his girl. It just isn't right to always be around your woman.

I think the other good point made above is that virgins can be trusted more
 

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anakin didn't listen to obiwan about women and i got a spiffy assistant to bring doom and destruction to all those that oppose my empire.
 

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it may also have something to do with the TYPE OF PEPOLE that move in thogether wersus the once that marry and then move in....

for example; -white trash, and getho people are most likely to move in first.
-imigrants are from countries with strict marige views (arab countries, some african, and some eouropean countries) are more likely to get merried first

I have a feeling I might get flamed for this:p
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Originally posted by spider_007
it may also have something to do with the TYPE OF PEPOLE that move in thogether wersus the once that marry and then move in....

for example; -white trash, and getho people are most likely to move in first.
-imigrants are from countries with strict marige views (arab countries, some african, and some eouropean countries) are more likely to get merried first

I have a feeling I might get flamed for this:p
no... I wouldn't flame you for that. It is true. Americanized women have totally lost sight of the values they used to hold dear.
 
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