Should we Redpillers help BlackPillers

evan12

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 2, 2012
Messages
1,166
Reaction score
146
I was lately reading some articles from incels.ca website, and I was amazed how many of them are quick to swallow the black pill and end all their ambitions, some of them not even 18 years old .
While I can agree some of their arguments are valid, but it is against life , all the life is trying , so if no more trying it is death in itself.
 

Medina

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Mar 23, 2019
Messages
201
Reaction score
239
Age
30
I grew up as a kid in the 90's watching wwf and remember recently watching an interview with vince mcmahon being asked why wrestling talent has declined today. He talked about how millenials would rather NOT TRY than try and risk failure. They want success but without the blood, sweat and tears.

I think he hit the nail on the head
 

Von

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 23, 2016
Messages
2,080
Reaction score
1,108
Age
30
You ressemble the people you surround yourself with.

If you associate with black pill even as a redpill.. You'll be a Black pill.

Red Pill goes with Red
 

Grewd

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 19, 2013
Messages
2,776
Reaction score
1,804
Age
27
They are beyond help, they can only help themselves. The only way we can help them is if they want to be helped and that won't happen before they choose to stop believing the nonsense they currently believe, but that would be helping themselves and they must do that first.

It's better to leave them alone than to force our advice upon them, the arguing against us will just keep their beliefs afloat. If they get no attention and are left alone then the only thing to grab their attention is the consequences of their flawed beliefs. Reality will show them that their way definitely doesn't work and they'll eventually be forced to help themselves and seek help. Then when they come begging for help we give it to them, if they still don't listen we give them the silent treatment.

It's a win-win. We don't have to deal with idiots who won't listen anyways and they won't be distracted from how terrible their choices really have been.
 

How This "Nice Guy" Steals Women from Jerks

Did you know a woman can be totally UN-ATTRACTED to you...

And she'll still sleep with you?

If you've ever seen a girl go home with some asshole she didn't even LIKE, you know this is true.

But how is this possible?

Because deep inside her brain, sexual desire has nothing to do with what you LOOK like...

And everything to do with how you make her FEEL.

Matt Cook knows this all too well.

Matt is a nice guy... but he steals women from JERKS all the time.

In this free video training below, he'll show you how he does it:

How to Control Her Emotions and Make Her Chase You

Mike32ct

Master Don Juan
Joined
Oct 22, 2007
Messages
5,769
Reaction score
1,480
Location
Eastern Time Zone where it's always really late
Lol you're all still blue pill.

You guys still believe that you can control women's sexual attraction with magic words and tactics.

What color pill is the one that accepts that women are just as visual as men and that men should ADJUST to nature?
Agreed, but I will take it a few steps farther. I would be thrilled if women were AS visual as men. They are actually MORE visual than men. Can a guy who is a 4 score as easily as a chick that is a 4? Of course not. Women have more stringent looks standards on who they will hook up with.

I will also add the following:

Holding her nose and F-ing an unattractive but wealthy guy for his money does not necessarily mean she is “less visual” than men.

Hooking up with an unattractive but high status guy for ego and his connections also doesn’t necessarily mean she is “less visual” than men.

TLDR: “Wildcards” like M or S don’t necessarily mean women are less visual. That would be like saying job qualifications don’t matter for applicants because of the existence of certain wildcards (ie “cheat codes”) like nepotism.
 
Last edited:

rando5495

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 11, 2018
Messages
802
Reaction score
428
I tend to think that the scene has an "enabling" element about it. Loads of kids from single-mother households, and loads of older guys who never had kids. Can help all these stray internet children, or could just have one's own.
 

Spaz

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jan 14, 2018
Messages
6,381
Reaction score
4,705
Location
Somewhere where's it's none of your business
You ressemble the people you surround yourself with.
Partly true.

You could also influence those around you provided you have that ability.

History is replete with men who influenced whole populations with their own ideology.

Hitler for example with his aryan beliefs.

Jesus with love.

Buddha with inner peace.

Confucius with ancestral worship and justice.
 

DEEZEDBRAH

Master Don Juan
Joined
Dec 24, 2017
Messages
2,545
Reaction score
1,586
Age
28
I was lately reading some articles from incels.ca website, and I was amazed how many of them are quick to swallow the black pill and end all their ambitions, some of them not even 18 years old .
While I can agree some of their arguments are valid, but it is against life , all the life is trying , so if no more trying it is death in itself.
Marriage is black pill as is LTR.

You cannot afford to be wasting your time on losers. You can't serve two masters. You either chase excellence or don't.

I will put people up and inspire but every man needs to go through the fire or cuck awaits. There's no two ways about it.

Save yourself.
 

LJC

Senior Don Juan
Joined
Mar 17, 2001
Messages
492
Reaction score
225
You can start by telling us how exactly can you control women's sexual attraction.

Give us the step by step.
What's so wrong about the statement you made was the idea that red-pill is an attempt to "control a woman's sexual attraction". It has nothing to do with controlling attraction. If that's what black-pill types believe red pill is, it is no wonder why they are black pill. They never really got it.

Red pill is not about controlling women. It's not about tricking women. Red pill isn't even about how to get women. Getting women is only the first step that sets the stage for the possibility of a red pill lifestyle to even have a chance of becoming a reality.

It is about taking control over the very dynamic you have with women in general, and to do so in a way that you can interact with women in a manner that is similar to how women typically try to influence and sway men. All of the nastiness men attribute to women, the BPD, the vindictiveness, the branch swinging... all of the behavior that drives men to be those blue pilled chumps, the frustrated black pill types and the MGTOWs.... the things women do to convince men on to these alternate "pill ideologies".... are all things a man can do to women too.

That is what red pill truly is. TRUE red pill is precisely what black pill, MGTOW or whatever else pill wishes it was or could do: give women a taste of their own medicine. And in my opinion, it can not be fully comprehended until you are actually living and applying it successfully.

This forum, the PUAs, all of the books blue-pillers read in an attempt to understand red pill.... it's all boot camp introduction. It is an attempt to explain an intangible lifestyle that is alien to the people you are trying to introduce it to. All of this stuff is not, in itself, red pill.
 

evan12

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 2, 2012
Messages
1,166
Reaction score
146
You guys still believe that you can control women's sexual attraction with magic words and tactics.
No, but you can make yourself more sexually appealing by improving yourself , in look, strengthen , dominance, social proofing , etc.
 

ChristopherColumbus

Master Don Juan
Joined
Sep 8, 2016
Messages
2,298
Reaction score
1,259
Age
52
Location
korea
It's not either/ or.

MGTOW is both right and wrong - right in seeing that the ideal lies beyond women, wrong is negating women altogether. The ideal should lie at the center, where other aspects of life [career, women etc] are more peripheral concerns as opposed to ultimate concerns.

Red pill can be just as wrong in so far as there is in practice an elevation of the pursuit of women even as the worth of women is theoretically denied.

These nuances are being missed. The reason being is that ideology, of whatever persuasion, is reductive and simplistic.
 
Top