"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Should I openly say I'm Atheist ?
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Are you a hard-core atheist? The reason I ask is because if you could truthfully say "agnostic" instead, its a bit more toned down and probably a bit more openly accepted. Agnostics are about 2 to 1 to atheists on myspace (i don't participate on facebook).
StoneColdFox
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Unfortunetly, it probably might scare people away.
Hopefully you're smart enough to be atheist lol.
Real atheists would understand that comment lol.
It certainly takes a lot of guts to let the cat out of the bag, when most folks hold bags with cats. But dropping that bag sure does lower the weight load. I speak from experience.StoneColdFox said:
I could say I'm Satan come down from earth, and if i delivered it correctly, I think I could still pull my fair share of chicks.
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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Yet, you have atheists with these brilliant ideas and philisophies on why they chose atheism.
One of my music teachers was atheist, he often got preached to about why he should choose God etc etc. Well to counter act this he studied every religion.. religiously (no pun intended) lol.
That way when someone was debating religion he could call out doctrine, or something that contradicts their claim.
He's a really brilliant guy, very young to, very DJ like I think he studied it, Ive never asked though lol.
But anyway, long story short while studying all these religions he actually found religion.
But my point is that to be a good atheist, it certainly helps to have a good philisophy as to why you're atheist and be knowledgable of other religions to support your claims.
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Francisco d'Anconia
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Are you sarging Bible thumpers?Indigo said:
Who said I'm trying to to set false pretenses?azanon said:
So you're saying that only if you are a "hard-core christian" you are a real christian.. yeah right...
Most Atheists consider themselves Agnostic/Atheists because if you claim that you are 100% sure that there is no God you are basing that on faith something which Atheists (in general) don't have, because they don't make claims based on things they don't know.
What's a "hard-core atheist" anyway? haha
I'm atheist/agnostic as well. I don't broadcast it out there not because I'm afraid to (as I openly tell people I'm closer to) but because girls fall in "love" with guys who they think will mold into their lives.
It's actually harder not to say it, BUT it works in my favor.
There is no reason to limit yourself by pointing out one more incompatibility - unless you plan on marrying the girl.
I assume you're not looking for marriage yet?
By the way, this is one of the basic laws of power in 48 laws of power in case you're into that.
Francisco d'Anconia
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He's an athiest on Sundays and holidays!Indigo said:
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
If you decide to go with something besides "atheist", when you are an atheist.... Me. I'm saying that in that case.Indigo said:
Did i say that? You're being defensive on your own accord.
This is incorrect. An Atheist believes there is no God. An agnostic reserves judgement on the whole God issue. Thus, the agnostic is the only "religious position", if you will, that does not involve "belief" of any kind. Any questions?
95% of Americans are 100% sure because only ~ 5% considered themselves agnostics. Now that's hard to believe!
There's one kind of atheist; those that believe there is no God. I reject the "weak" vs "strong" atheist positions because by those definitions, a "weak atheist" is just an agnostic in my opinion.
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I also like the idea of just not listing it. I know myspace gives that option; not sure about facebook.
It's always best to be yourself.
Kudos,
Matt
Francisco d'Anconia
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I don't know man, it's strange up here. A good portion of the women here feel that there would be major contention if you aren't of the same faith not even mentioning if you don't believe. They also feel the same way about political stance. Once they find out you're an Anarchist it's all over man....Roulette said:
That point comes well after I fvck them.
If they won't stop questioning you on those two subjects, then they are too much trouble and you should move on to a girl who doesn't know what atheist means.
This comes from experience, trust me.
Even if you are an Atheist why do you need to announce it to the world on facebook? you might as well write down on your profile "slept with 9 different women thus far and counting" or "i have $8000 in my bank account".
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Dude you really don't know what you are talking about.azanon said:
"Atheism, as a philosophical view, is the position that either affirms the nonexistence of gods."
If you affirm that there is no god, you are saying that you know that there is no god. When you know that there is no god you are not basing it on facts because you cannot prove that there is no god. To believe something without facts (ie: theists) is called Faith.
What is one of the main reasons that "Atheists" or "Agnostic/Atheists", to be more precise, don't believe in gods?
Because there is no evidence to support it. Hence an Atheist is someone who has Faith that there is no god, which doesn't make much sense. Atheism is an extreme, somewhat like Communism which is nearly impossible to achieve.
Most big "Atheists" (ie: Richard Dawkins), admit that they aren't 100% certain that there is no god, they think it's IMPROBABLE though, and that the chances are slim to none but they won't assure you that there is no god.
Take a look at this scale:
7-Atheism
6-=
5-=
4-Agnosticism
3-=
2-=
1-Theism
Most will fall into number 6...
Number 7's would be falling back into the Theists none-sense of "knowing" (based on faith, not facts) that there is no god, which would be contradicting itself.
I hope I've made it clear.
Peace.
The Juan and only
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Still, if someone asks, you tell 'em your views whether you think they'll agree or not. Don't be ashamed of your beliefs just because they aren't the norm.
Just FYI, here in the UK most people are atheist/agnostic I'd say (in fact a study I just found says only 31% of britons claim to be a member of a religion). I wonder why americans are so much more religious. tis interesting. Different schooling maybe?
If you don't want answers, don't come on here asking questions. You asked the question, OP. After that, listen and learn.Indigo said:
This isn't even plain English, much less does it describe atheism correctly.
I agree. But that's part of Atheism.
Agnostics neither believe nor reject the possibility that God exists. You're still struggling with that fast. Atheists fully believe there is no God just as must as a Deist fully believes there is.
If anyone admits they're not 100% certain there are no Gods, then they're admitting they're not an atheist. Again, "weak atheism" is not atheism in my book. Its agnosticism.
Agnosticism isn't even on the scale. They take no position at all.
There are only 3 essential positions; belief in God, lack of belief in God, and not knowing for sure.
On your scale, most people are #1.
I agree which is the #1 reason I'm not an atheist.
You've made your ignorance on this topic clear.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.