"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Should I drop my wing?

dyldo_swaggins

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I moved to a new town and after months of searching online and in bars/clubs, I was able to find a wing who's into game and pick-up.

However, when I started to actually go out with him, I noticed he will rarely approach and only talk about long, complicated technicals of how he would game them if he were to approach.

I'm 1 year into this and was just getting over my AA before moving here but he is rubbing off on me and I'm starting to fall into the same trap as him of theorizing and not taking action. Is it best to drop him and start going out solo? I mostly nighthame so I don't know how viable soloing is.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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If you befriended a guy who said he's a sailor, but he never takes you out onto the lake, is he worth being a sailor? You decide.
 

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Yes, you need to drop that wing.

There are men who can be good friends but not good wings. I noticed that with a couple of my male friends.

This is also one reason I like non-bar approaching better than bar approaching. It's more socially acceptable to do non-bar approaching alone. A lot of the non-bar venues are tailored to people being alone.
 

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Yes, you need to drop that wing.

There are men who can be good friends but not good wings. I noticed that with a couple of my male friends.

This is also one reason I like non-bar approaching better than bar approaching. It's more socially acceptable to do non-bar approaching alone. A lot of the non-bar venues are tailored to people being alone.
What non-bar/club venues work best for you?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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RazorRambo24

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2 pu55ie's dont make a ****. you both need to man up and start talking to women .. because you're clearly in the same boat..

you can't blame another man for not talking to women for you, when you probably don't wing any for him either..
 

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The other extreme is an overly aggressive wing that pressures you to approach women you aren't interested in and makes you uncomfortable.

Just go solo so you can learn and improve at your own pace.
This. The perfect wing is hard to find.

Such a wing can always be usefull tho. You have a person to fall back on , and it might be easier to approach groups of women.

The mere fact he is with you as a wing is already ten times better than just a random homie you'll have to force to go along with you. You gotta play into each other's strengths..maybe you are better at initiating, and he is good at continuing the conversations. You can also make it a game , and take turns approaching women.

So what kinda wingman are you? Would you like to have yourself as a wingman? And how were the results so far?
 
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Monkey branch lmao. If you hate going out solo (tbf, going out solo for night game IS pretty awkward) spend a night or two trying to find cool guys to replace him and when you do...replace him.

In general, it shouldn't be super hard to find wings. GOOD wings, yes, but pretty much any guy at a bar who is clearly not with a group is most likely there to talk to girls. Whether or not they are good is another question, but as long as he has balls he should be OK. I would rather have a wing with balls than some guy who has a lot of theory but takes no action.
 

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I’ve had exactly ONE good wing my entire life. It was great! All my others have been at best, irrelevant and at worst, either by design or being social idiots, c*ckblockers.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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