"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Shes 17, and never been kissed!

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first of all id like to say its a honor to be back on this website...ive been off for about half a year now in the field and now im back....but i problem has come upon me, and the story begins:

a few month back i meet this gurl named sarah, but i want really interested in her becuase she was really quite and shy, but one day we started talking, and now we talk all the time....so recently she told me "you really got me outta my shell" implying that i got her to stop being so shy and what not....

so we started talking bout kissing and wat not, and she said she had never been kissed so i told her sister that she would be kissed by the end of the month....and not to tell her, well turns out that she told her...so i was like, well since u kno, looks like ima have to push it back to next month (i never said it would be me) but thats the impression she got, i think....so she was like im going away to some college in a month or something....

but i have a gf, and thats the only prob, but i do like this gurl....so how should i approach this situation (the kiss thing)
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Hmmm

You have a gf and your worried about how to kiss a 17 year old whos never been kissed before?? i dont think shed like her first guy to kiss her to be some cheating slime ball...:down:
 
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Meet her and her sister somewhere, look both of them in the eye, say "I'm going to kiss you now", and then kiss her sister. :)

j/k. It's up to you, man. Do you want to kiss her? Do you care about your girlfriend enough not to? It's really your choice. You shouldn't have to ask us.
 
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Eh... what DasaniWater said...
 
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See, right then? When she told you she'd never been kissed? That was when you should have gone for the kiss. And since you're fretting over this (and therefore probably not too experienced about kisses in general), I'll share the easiest kiss-close I know of.

You: "Would you like me to kiss you?"
Her: Any answer but no
You: "Let's find out", and you move in for the kiss.

Mad props to Mystery for that one.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Shes 17, and never been kissed!
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OMG! It's a crime. Goddamn, stop being so stereotypical. Some people just aren't in that mindset, or never really dated, or such.

Oh, and what Keeper said.
 
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guys guys chill out...ok let me explain alittle bit of my feeling here....ok yea i do have a gf and it would be cheating...but i mean wats a kiss? i just dont want her to go off to college without ever being kissed, and then get taken advantage of because she was to "shelter" or something like that! i mean can anyone see this my way without looking at me as the bad guy here? im trying to get her, her first kiss with someone nice! a gentlemen a suave guy, ME....but no im not inexperience in kissing, its just that, i do have a gf and i didnt just want to mack on her on full blast! got me?
 
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To a girl, ESPECIALLY that girl, a kiss is alot more than you think, apparently.

Maybe you say: "wats a kiss", but she's been imagining that kiss, for a good few years now. Always hoping that some really good guy will come along and sweep her off her feet. Don't ruin it for her, man. You're in no position to take her fantasy away. Just let the thing progress as it was meant to. Sure, if she goes off to College un-kissed, let her. She'll find some guy there who she'll kiss and maybe something will come out of it, maybe something won't. It's not your job to worry about her future love-life. You've got your own gf to worry about.

Oh, and if she said: "You gotta get me out of my shell" doesn't mean you actually have to physically do it yourself...
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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I would tell her to suck my ****
 
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im making another thread to continue this
 
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Keeper said:
To a girl, ESPECIALLY that girl, a kiss is alot more than you think, apparently.

Maybe you say: "wats a kiss", but she's been imagining that kiss, for a good few years now. Always hoping that some really good guy will come along and sweep her off her feet. Don't ruin it for her, man. You're in no position to take her fantasy away. Just let the thing progress as it was meant to. Sure, if she goes off to College un-kissed, let her. She'll find some guy there who she'll kiss and maybe something will come out of it, maybe something won't. It's not your job to worry about her future love-life. You've got your own gf to worry about.

Oh, and if she said: "You gotta get me out of my shell" doesn't mean you actually have to physically do it yourself...
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Besides when you give her her first *kiss*, what are you trying to do?

You're coming across as if you are just doing her a favor and nothing more.

Maybe you actually WANT something to happen with her but you are too afraid/don't know how to handle a MLTR. If you WANT HER (which I have suspicions that you do), then GET HER! There is NOTHING WRONG with a MLTR.

On the other hand, if all you want to do is *kiss* her, then Kintuz will have to say that's a :nono: - A nono...

IF you kiss her now, then she will want a relationship with you. She'll be attached to you because she gave up her "virgin lips" to you. That means you will be VERY SPECIAL to her.

If you just want to *kiss* her and not take the RESPONSIBILITY that comes with it, then you should let it go.


Laaaaaaaaaaattttttttteeeeeeeeeee!
 
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