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Master Don Juan
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I know Trump gets demonized daily. You know it, I know it, no need to preach to the choir. And even if you don't agree with that, that's fine too. But all of that is not what this thread is about and I want to ask all of you EXPLICITLY not to make it about that!
I'm only interested in one thing here, which is to make sense of the overtime pay issue. I purely want to understand the logic behind it. So just LOGIC AND FACTS here, leave the emotional shyt at the door please.
First read this: https://qz.com/1689899/workers-at-shells-trump-event-had-to-attend-or-lose-pay/
I also found the memo Shell handed out:
I don't get the specifics behind the overpay issue. I wonder if any of you can help me out with the following points:
Surely the Trump event didn't take up 16 hours. Let's assume it took up 10 hours. So if any employee decided not to attend, that means he would work 56 - 10 = 46 hours that week. So that would make for 40 hours standard pay and 6 hours overtime pay, right? But the memo seems to suggest there will be no overtime pay for this emplyee at all. If that's true, it would be unfair to the employee, coz he still deserves 6 hours of overtime pay even if he didn't attend the Trump event, right?
So unless I'm missing something, it does seem the employees who didn't attend the Trump event got treated unfairly REGARDING THE OVERTIME PAY ISSUE (again, that's the only thing I'm discussing here, not all the other stuff!).
The only thing I'm not totally sure about is how to interpret that line: "Those who are not in attendance will NOT receive overtime pay on Friday"
Specifically, the Friday reference. Does it mean the employees get their salaries paid out weekly, specifically on Friday? Or does it mean that they normally only receive overtime pay for the hours they work on Friday? It would seem more logical to say they get no overtime pay "that week" but it specifically says "On Friday" and I don't know how to interpret this...
Then there's another possibility:
What do you guys make of it?
I'm only interested in one thing here, which is to make sense of the overtime pay issue. I purely want to understand the logic behind it. So just LOGIC AND FACTS here, leave the emotional shyt at the door please.
First read this: https://qz.com/1689899/workers-at-shells-trump-event-had-to-attend-or-lose-pay/
I also found the memo Shell handed out:
I don't get the specifics behind the overpay issue. I wonder if any of you can help me out with the following points:
- The employees have a 56 hour workweek, so that's 40 hours normal pay and 16 hours overtime.
- The memo says those that won't attend the Trump event will not receive overtime pay on Friday
Surely the Trump event didn't take up 16 hours. Let's assume it took up 10 hours. So if any employee decided not to attend, that means he would work 56 - 10 = 46 hours that week. So that would make for 40 hours standard pay and 6 hours overtime pay, right? But the memo seems to suggest there will be no overtime pay for this emplyee at all. If that's true, it would be unfair to the employee, coz he still deserves 6 hours of overtime pay even if he didn't attend the Trump event, right?
So unless I'm missing something, it does seem the employees who didn't attend the Trump event got treated unfairly REGARDING THE OVERTIME PAY ISSUE (again, that's the only thing I'm discussing here, not all the other stuff!).
The only thing I'm not totally sure about is how to interpret that line: "Those who are not in attendance will NOT receive overtime pay on Friday"
Specifically, the Friday reference. Does it mean the employees get their salaries paid out weekly, specifically on Friday? Or does it mean that they normally only receive overtime pay for the hours they work on Friday? It would seem more logical to say they get no overtime pay "that week" but it specifically says "On Friday" and I don't know how to interpret this...
Then there's another possibility:
- Employees work 56 hours a week and they get overtime pay (like 1.5x the hourly rate) for all of those 56 hours. But if they work less than 56 hours they get the regular rate (1.0x the hourly rate) for all of their worked hours (even if it's more than 40)
What do you guys make of it?
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