She will let you know

[Pandora]

The older I get the more comfortable I feel around women. I feel comfortable in my skin. I realize that you dont need to say slick lines or be funny etc.

If they like you then they like you. Most of the work has already been done before you opened your mouth.

Also if they like you then they will make it obvious. There is no need to act any way other than your authentic self.

These days women dont smash the " maybe guys". So trying to convince her to like you with "game" is pointless.

I wish I had know this in my teens and early 20s.

 

[The Duke]

Getting to this point in my late 30's is when dating became easy and turning first dates into multiple dates afterwards became almost guaranteed.

 

[SW15]

These days women dont smash the " maybe guys". So trying to convince her to like you with "game" is pointless.

When do you think this changed? Do you think that in the days of Mystery/Strauss (late 1990s to mid 2000s) that women did sometime smash "maybe guys" they met at bars?

This is an interesting idea, I'd like to see it fleshed out more.

 

[Pandora]

When do you think this changed? Do you think that in the days of Mystery/Strauss (late 1990s to mid 2000s) that women did sometime smash "maybe guys" they met at bars?

This is an interesting idea, I'd like to see it fleshed out more.

I think it changed when online dating became a thing. Why would they have sex with the "maybe" guy when they can get pounded out by exactly her type. The maybe guy becomes a thing if they become older and hit the wall.

I remember when you could game a girl back in the day. She used to say " hes not the cute but he is funny..so I will give him a chance". Well back then she only had like 5 suitors. Now she can keep you as her dancing monkey and get her sexual needs fulfilled by the guy that really turns her on. So game is obsolete ( beyond the basics).

 

[Pandora]

Getting to this point in my late 30's is when dating became easy and turning first dates into multiple dates afterwards became almost guaranteed.

She probably saw that you were truly comfortable with yourself on the first date. They will probe for insecurity.

 

[SW15]

I think it changed when online dating became a thing. Why would they have sex with the "maybe" guy when they can get pounded out by exactly her type. The maybe guy becomes a thing if they become older and hit the wall.

I remember when you could game a girl back in the day. She used to say " hes not the cute but he is funny..so I will give him a chance". Well back then she only had like 5 suitors. Now she can keep you as her dancing monkey and get her sexual needs fulfilled by the guy that really turns her on. So game is obsolete ( beyond the basics).

I like this point of view.

Online has given women more abundance.

In the past, there were women who were reliant upon nightlife venues and had some level of abundance from that. The amount of abundance a woman can get from being active at nightlife venues is a fraction of the abundance she can get from a swipe app or a well done Instagram.

 

[characternote]

I said this years ago!
I devowered everything under the sun about game. Read and tested.
Initially once I started to get laid a fair bit I gave credit to the things i'd 'learned' but there was always a niggling feeling that she simply chose me because I was her type. That she essentially decided 'yes' before i'd even finished my opener. Sometimes they'd even confirm this in bed in the morning!

I was getting laid a tonne but it started to dawn on me that it was due to the amount of approaches I was putting in. (as well as looksmaxxing)
And comparing how my nights went vs the nights of a few exceptionally good looking wingmen I had really seemed to confirm it all. They did everything 'wrong' but it didn't matter. The girls were simply extremely attracted to them and they'd have needed to throw up on her to wreck their chances!
But I still tried to hang my hat on these 'PUA's I'd been reading/watching

But, after essentially studying infields (premium infields mostly that weren't on youtube etc) the patterns became clear
i.e; Even these 'PROS' with all of their 'knowledge' were doing exactly the same as me
They were banging the girls who were clearly receptive to the approach, and they were getting rejected when a girl clearly wasn't into him. And she seemingly made her mind up in about 2 seconds. All of their 'techniques' on these 'no girls' didn't cut any ice at all. Just delaying the rejection.

For game to be real (in the sense it was sold) we should have seen a huge percentage of infields (so maybe 1000?!) where the PUA 'turned around' a hard no into a yes. But in, perhaps, 2000+ infields that have been relseased I don't believe i've ever seen it done!
It is extremely obvious that it's not really a matter of skill or game. It's out of your control. Cold approach is, and always has been, tinder in person, essentially (when we're talking about hot young girls. Not old men trying to find a 'life partner' of equal age or whatever. Different game
)

These days women dont smash the " maybe guys". So trying to convince her to like you with "game" is pointless.

i'd say there's a tiny percentage of the time when you are perhaps a 'strong maybe' where you have a shot. But in general, it's a yes or a no, and it's decided before you've delivered your opening line.

I wish I had know this in my teens and early 20s.

I did know it! But then I kind of bought into the PUA koolaid and began to question myself! haha. This lead too a lot of 'research' essentially. So I wasted a lot of time confirming what I always knew to be true. My bad! I've always said I need to trust myself more. I'm kind of always right in hindsight!

 

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This is how it goes for guys. 'Game' or no 'game' if you are not her type.

 

[Ricky]

I think it changed when online dating became a thing. Why would they have sex with the "maybe" guy when they can get pounded out by exactly her type. The maybe guy becomes a thing if they become older and hit the wall.

I remember when you could game a girl back in the day. She used to say " hes not the cute but he is funny..so I will give him a chance". Well back then she only had like 5 suitors. Now she can keep you as her dancing monkey and get her sexual needs fulfilled by the guy that really turns her on. So game is obsolete ( beyond the basics).

I understand what you were trying to say. Back before online dating became more common and apps became a thing, there was an advantage for those of us who were pick up artist because we had developed skills based on approaching women that other men didn't have to the same degree.

The women at that time were limited to the number of guys who approached them. Now women get tons of attention and virtual approaches online. There is still an element of conversational game etc with this. I think we really either attract a girl off the bat in which case it's easier, or we have to work on it and compete against the people in her dm's, apps, etc.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

It applies to men as well. Tinder is ‘T!ts on Tap’.

Granted. Women have like 10x the matches men get. But. OLD has still expanded the pool for men too.

 

[Pandora]

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This is how it goes for guys. 'Game' or no 'game' if you are not her type.

She looks like a better looking version of Scarlet Johansen. This chick would be a horror to be in a relationship with lol.

 

[Pandora]

I said this years ago!
I devowered everything under the sun about game. Read and tested.
Initially once I started to get laid a fair bit I gave credit to the things i'd 'learned' but there was always a niggling feeling that she simply chose me because I was her type. That she essentially decided 'yes' before i'd even finished my opener. Sometimes they'd even confirm this in bed in the morning!

I was getting laid a tonne but it started to dawn on me that it was due to the amount of approaches I was putting in. (as well as looksmaxxing)
And comparing how my nights went vs the nights of a few exceptionally good looking wingmen I had really seemed to confirm it all. They did everything 'wrong' but it didn't matter. The girls were simply extremely attracted to them and they'd have needed to throw up on her to wreck their chances!
But I still tried to hang my hat on these 'PUA's I'd been reading/watching

But, after essentially studying infields (premium infields mostly that weren't on youtube etc) the patterns became clear
i.e; Even these 'PROS' with all of their 'knowledge' were doing exactly the same as me
They were banging the girls who were clearly receptive to the approach, and they were getting rejected when a girl clearly wasn't into him. And she seemingly made her mind up in about 2 seconds. All of their 'techniques' on these 'no girls' didn't cut any ice at all. Just delaying the rejection.

For game to be real (in the sense it was sold) we should have seen a huge percentage of infields (so maybe 1000?!) where the PUA 'turned around' a hard no into a yes. But in, perhaps, 2000+ infields that have been relseased I don't believe i've ever seen it done!
It is extremely obvious that it's not really a matter of skill or game. It's out of your control. Cold approach is, and always has been, tinder in person, essentially (when we're talking about hot young girls. Not old men trying to find a 'life partner' of equal age or whatever. Different game
)

i'd say there's a tiny percentage of the time when you are perhaps a 'strong maybe' where you have a shot. But in general, it's a yes or a no, and it's decided before you've delivered your opening line.

I did know it! But then I kind of bought into the PUA koolaid and began to question myself! haha. This lead too a lot of 'research' essentially. So I wasted a lot of time confirming what I always knew to be true. My bad! I've always said I need to trust myself more. I'm kind of always right in hindsight!

Exactly bro. I can relate. Its like we spend years perfecting our seduction/pua skills only to find out that is was so simple all along. According to Bruce Lee this is when you achieve real mastery.

“Before I learned the art, a punch was just a punch, and a kick, just a kick. After I learned the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick, no longer a kick. Now that I understand the art, a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick.”.....Bruce Lee

 

[characternote]

She looks like a better looking version of Scarlet Johansen. This chick would be a horror to be in a relationship with lol.

imagine how many times she was hit on that night and how many guys who she wasn't attracted too off the bat who all got the same roll of the eyes, 'go away please' reaction haha.
It's not staged either. The guy filming goes around UK cities essentially recording girls with a hidden camera and I think he got in a bit of trouble for it recently when his vids got popular and some girls recognised themselves.

 

[Ricky]

Most of those guys are violating easily understandable personal distance rules that have been well validated. Most guys game is terrible. I am definitely certain a guy can lose out do to bad game. I've seen it many times. Yes you have a much wider window of opportunity when the woman is naturally attracted to you

 

[Bingo-Player]

When do you think this changed? Do you think that in the days of Mystery/Strauss (late 1990s to mid 2000s) that women did sometime smash "maybe guys" they met at bars?

This is an interesting idea, I'd like to see it fleshed out more.

I think they still do my mate is a club promoter overweight out 7 nights a week and still gets laid

he will very much be a "maybe" for vast majority of women he interacts with

Only thing thats change is where as before women would probably fvck "maybe guys" for fun

Now there has to be some sort of trade off

drugs / free drinks / perceived status / comedy

or she needs to be drunk / horny and you need to be in the right place at the right time

 

[Bingo-Player]

Also think its important to note "game" can increase attraction but can't manufacture it

A lot of people saying above if she chooses you then its a pretty much done deal and you can't do anything wrong

this isn't true I've interacted with a lot of women where theres been some interest and I've either said the right thing or wrong thing which determines the outcome

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

You've been making these same posts for years. Fvck you

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

I read it. Good post

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

Also think its important to note "game" can increase attraction but can't manufacture it

A lot of people saying above if she chooses you then its a pretty much done deal and you can't do anything wrong

this isn't true I've interacted with a lot of women where theres been some interest and I've either said the right thing or wrong thing which determines the outcome

As you get older, you learn when to manufacture game out out of thin air

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

Or when to back out

Both important