She will discard you unless she thinks you are great (?)

[Avocadow]

Great as in she thinks her status is raising by being with you or that she enjoys the emotional intensity you give her.

I used to experience big hits to my self-esteem when a woman would discard me after having good dates, after things going well objectively. It still happens to me these days. Meeting someone...good dates, flirting, sex, true compatibility and then she discards me for one detail or for not knowing how she feels. I think I still come across as nice guy and too available although I really try to monitor this.

I know Im no adavanced DJ yet but also know I have been quite decent with the women I refer to about. Applying what Ive learned in this forum and other sources. It feels as if unless I am clearly above her in status or can provide her with intense emotions consistently she will decide Im not good enough. These are women I could have done the same, I could have decided they were not great enough... I was not putting on pedestal, but felt they were cool enough to keep seeing.

Feels like having to be at your best or you are not considered good enough. I dont demand that of plates-partners..for me they just need to be hot enough and not annoying.

Do others feel this line of thought is correct or that I might be just doing something wrong consistently.?

 

[Epic Days]

Your approach (viewpoint of women) lacks fundamental knowledge about masculinity. Masculinity isn’t about getting pvssy it’s about women being attracted to masculinity.

The full scope of DJ and PUA training is about getting you to mimic masculinity in an effort to obtain pvssy. The only real, long term solution to the plight of the western male is a rediscovering of what masculinity is. Women are basically not worthy. You are thinking because you are doing a few things that mimic masculinity that this should be good enough to hold a woman in dedication to you.

This is common faulty thinking and will get you mangled and piled up into a heap of quivering flesh.
Men are not owed to women. You neither owe or are required to allow her access to your universe that you are capable of creating.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to build your universe and invite them into it and remove at will, any that are not worthy.

The feminine mindset, the Feminine Imperative, believes and programs men to believe, that we are here to serve women. Our labor and our resources are there to support women and their bastard children. This is not a slam on women. This is an honest observation on the state and affairs of the modern woman.

A divorced female with children or a single mother has created bastard children. Unless a man has unlimited access to the children he has sired. The children are bastards.

 

[Avocadow]

Thanks for your reponse Epic Days.
I understand you are saying that my mindset is faulty as I am still trying to behave in ways that can attract women, instead of genuinely embodying my version of masculinity.
This would explain my relative success and why it tends to end with her losing interest. Her realizing the traits she liked are not ingrained in my core. Still I feel I have to continue to fake it til I make it or forget about women for some time and focus on self development.

 

[Epic Days]

Thanks for your reponse Epic Days.
I understand you are saying that my mindset is faulty as I am still trying to behave in ways that can attract women, instead of genuinely embodying my version of masculinity.
This would explain my relative success and why it tends to end with her losing interest. Her realizing the traits she liked are not ingrained in my core. Still I feel I have to continue to fake it til I make it or forget about women for some time and focus on self development.

You grasped it. Good for you. Well done.

Forgoing women for a period of time has been beneficial for many men but you don’t have to.

I have been accused and even attacked ( doesn’t phase me even a little bit) because I point out that men, even as successful PUAs are groveling at the feet of women due to their programming.

Men have to unlearn everything they have grown up with. There is not any valuable thought process delivered in the present society that is for the masculinity of men. Single mothers produce the worst children possible. An abject failure statistically. Men forget that divorced women ARE single mothers unless the father has unlimited access to them without the constant programming being delivered to those children by the beast of luxury (the mother).

You must never, ever be the beast of burden to the beast of luxury.

So start by finding the lies in you one at a time. This stuff comes off in layers. Reading this stuff on here every day for the rest of your life will not help you unless you are willing to throw out your false beliefs.

There are men on here that are trying to hang onto their Bolshevik (communist/ liberal) belief systems and incorporate this stuff over it. They will fail. The Bolshevik mindset IS Feminism. Diametrically opposed belief systems. This was just an example. I write what’s observable on women and am called a hater of women. Quite the opposite. But men need to see exactly what they are groveling at the feet of. An unworthy herd animal that runs around trying to find a beast of burden to latch onto on one hand and procreating with masculine men on the other hand. Duality.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Do others feel this line of thought is correct or that I might be just doing something wrong consistently.?

It is but, it begs for something to counter balance red pill rage. The fallout of the struggle and trauma along the way. Refine your approach.

Test. Adjust. Repeat.

I highly recommend meditation. Decompress. Recharge. Let go!

I mirror women right back. She can bounce or ghost but she's suffering from delusional girl power and her best years are coming undone. Women have a shorter shelf life than men. It's savage and ruthless but it is what it is.

Top form SMV 18-23 is a very short term. And yet, cucks, simps, and betas swear away the farm, current and future earnings plus sexual access. For what? A fat nagging wife? Star fish sex once a month?

The counter balance to open female hypergamy is NEW GIRLS ARE TURNING 18 19 20 21 EVERY DAY! Herein lies end game. Ironically enough, the checkmate is at sny given time, she is replaceable. 30 isn't the new 20.

The sec a man gives away access to resources and sexual access bringing the state in the LTR, he is lost. Your willingness to walk is Goat status. It offers dread game and you can play the game accordingly.

Its not Disney fellas.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

You grasped it. Good for you. Well done.

Forgoing women for a period of time has been beneficial for many men but you don’t have to.

I have been accused and even attacked ( doesn’t phase me even a little bit) because I point out that men, even as successful PUAs are groveling at the feet of women due to their programming.

. Duality.

Much of RMG atracks pickup yet, 21 houses much of the pickup speakers in the past. I note red pill is aware of female nature. In terms of actually getting girls, i am not seeing it. I think Goldmund Unleashed is the outlier. I wager heavily that it was a pornhub night after 21 con lololol.

Pickup is a lot of click bait, fruads, and spam approach + marketing the few hail Mary successes. I question, what is the alternative? Tinder? OLD hogs and war pigs? Just wait. Wait for the women to jump off the carousel and seek beta cuck provider?

Monk mode has its value. Post breakup or divorce or even the need for solitude. Build a biz or reroute for a better life.


I see value in mgtow in the west especially given the laws. I definitely Don't srlf identify but no cohabitation or marriage for me.

Its the power in free will. The choice of being Red Pilled, to get girls, go into solitude, to smash, to marry or not, be a father or family man or not. The choice is yours.

I caution man to be conscious and fully aware of the sacrifice he makes that is without any thanks or gratitude in our culture or society. I don't know what end game looks like for you. I know my path is unconventional at best lol

 

[Robert28]

I’d rather her drop me than force me to be “just friends”. And when I say force I mean just that. You can tell them til your blue in the face that you aren’t looking for friendship but they keep after you, won’t leave you alone. They force that **** on you. I’d prefer a girl just to drop me like a bad habit and never speak to me again over a girl that tries to force me to be her friend and constantly bother me and play with my head.

 

[flowtheory]

used to experience big hits to my self-esteem when a woman would discard me after having good dates, after things going well objectively. It still happens to me these days. Meeting someone...good dates, flirting, sex, true compatibility and then she discards me for one detail or for not knowing how she feels. I think I still come across as nice guy and too available although I really try to monitor this.

You’re projecting and imbuing your feelings of what is right for a woman on to her based on male logic. This is where your discontent and confusion derives from. Figuring women out from a male mind will not serve you. You have to understand female wiring.

She’s not discarding you for one detail, she knows how she feels, and it’s simply not ignited. Logically she knows your best option and what’s good for her. Emotionally she doesn’t feel it - she doesn’t feel the challenge, the elusive nature which is masculinity, which is you pursuing what is your ultimate purpose.

Its a simple adjustment becaus eyou already have awareness here. Time and attention are your greatest commodities.

Your self esteem gets hit because you’re seeking external validation and acceptance. But really, the only true way is to gain it from within so you’re self sufficient. Complete abundance. You never seek for validation and value. You only give validation. You’re only source of validation should come from yourself. True confidence.

It feels as if unless I am clearly above her in status or can provide her with intense emotions consistently she will decide Im not good enough.

Your job isn’t to convince a woman to like you. Your job isn’t to provoke emotions by games. These will be a side effect of you doing what is best for you. By you living fully in your frame. Never needing her. And what is best for you is not making her world rich. That’s her job and responsibility. Your job is to pour energy in to your own self and your total sovereignty.
Status is a state of mind, not the house you live in or car you drive. Many beta cucks drive amazing vehicles and many more live in huge homes. And many others run companies. It’s your own cup that holds all the weight.

Feels like having to be at your best or you are not considered good enough.

The problem isn’t women. It’s you. You don’t feel good enough and so they sense this. Even in the above quote, notice how you’re not taking ownership of your words in not being at your best, or good enough.
You’re turning the emphasis off of you, and turning it outwards using ‘your’ and ‘you are’

Your problem is not how you look or what you’re doing. It’s your perception of self and sovereignty. Your abundant mindset that you are the prize to be won.

I can tell you’re actually probably a good catch for women. But you’re getting lost in not feeling good enough in yourself and thinking it’s something extrinsic; in this case women. But it’s merely your mindset and self perception that your at odds with.

 

[Avocadow]

You’re projecting and imbuing your feelings of what is right for a woman on to her based on male logic. This is where your discontent and confusion derives from. Figuring women out from a male mind will not serve you. You have to understand female wiring.

She’s not discarding you for one detail, she knows how she feels, and it’s simply not ignited. Logically she knows your best option and what’s good for her. Emotionally she doesn’t feel it - she doesn’t feel the challenge, the elusive nature which is masculinity, which is you pursuing what is your ultimate purpose.

Its a simple adjustment becaus eyou already have awareness here. Time and attention are your greatest commodities.

Your self esteem gets hit because you’re seeking external validation and acceptance. But really, the only true way is to gain it from within so you’re self sufficient. Complete abundance. You never seek for validation and value. You only give validation. You’re only source of validation should come from yourself. True confidence.




Your job isn’t to convince a woman to like you. Your job isn’t to provoke emotions by games. These will be a side effect of you doing what is best for you. By you living fully in your frame. Never needing her. And what is best for you is not making her world rich. That’s her job and responsibility. Your job is to pour energy in to your own self and your total sovereignty.
Status is a state of mind, not the house you live in or car you drive. Many beta cucks drive amazing vehicles and many more live in huge homes. And many others run companies. It’s your own cup that holds all the weight.


The problem isn’t women. It’s you. You don’t feel good enough and so they sense this. Even in the above quote, notice how you’re not taking ownership of your words in not being at your best, or good enough.
You’re turning the emphasis off of you, and turning it outwards using ‘your’ and ‘you are’

Your problem is not how you look or what you’re doing. It’s your perception of self and sovereignty. Your abundant mindset that you are the prize to be won.

I can tell you’re actually probably a good catch for women. But you’re getting lost in not feeling good enough in yourself and thinking it’s something extrinsic; in this case women. But it’s merely your mindset and self perception that your at odds with.

That was a really good reply. What I needed to hear , knew instinctively but couldnt articulate. Really appreciate it man.

I have been trying to cement the self-validation, but I still look at the worlds reactions (in this case women) as the indicator of my value. This realization sucks because I was already aware I needed to change this and felt had worked on it yet I havent really made the shift.

Would you care to ellaborate about it being a simple adjustment, time and attention being greatest commodities? Not sure I understood that well.

 

[flowtheory]

Would you care to ellaborate about it being a simple adjustment, time and attention being greatest commodities? Not sure I understood that well.

A simple adjustment because it seems you are aware of what may be your issue - being avaliable and coming off as a nice guy. Your thoughts are cogent and you’re seeking a solution for the problem. So simple adjustments in the fact that you can openly experiment with it all while not thinking the world is full of low quality women and blaming others. That’s a really good place to be when looking for answers.

Time and attention are a man’s greatest commodities.
Women’s is sex.

Nice guys are nice guys because they validate the women and give their time and attention freely to a woman who hasn’t shown she deserves it. She can treat him poorly and the nice guy will still validate and appreciate her. She will eventually tire of this and leave for a different man or cheat, or go back to an ex.

A man which is in the 3% will reward good behaviour and will retract his time and attention to bad behaviour. He can easily remove himself from her because he doesn’t need her to validate him. He knows boundaries, self respect, self value, knows he’s the king.

Nice guys need the woman’s attention to validate him because he has low self value and respect. He becomes dependent on her. The second this happens she governs the relationship and in turn he doesn’t become a challenge to her. He has no sovereignty or autonomy over himself. His love is to take as it requires reciprocity.

Women seek an alpha wolf. Not a lap puppy. Puppies give attention and sweetness; women like them and think they’re sweet and cute. But it doesn’t ignite them and make them submissive. All women desire to be lead and to be submissive. It’s natural order.

An alpha wolf is going after his own purpose and hunting. He will come when he is ready and wants to. The woman submits to him because of the power he possess and non need of her. (Typical bad boy)

But you can’t have a relationship with a alpha wolf because he marches to the beat of his drum. No one else’s.
In a proper healthy relationship you need to be an alpha wolf with puppy qualities. It’s the Alpha Beta mix. Any man who settles with one woman automatically becomes part Beta. Women seek Alphas to get in relationships with but desire him to have caring and softer qualities like communication, receptiveness, openness. But at the CORE he NEEDS to be that wolf forever. It’s what is solid, protective, spontaneous, dangerous, invigorating for her. It’s being best of both worlds. Women want it all.

Imagine a woman is holding a cage. Imagine you are a bird. Imagine you’re both in a room. If the woman is wanting you to come in to the cage and you fly right in, she will be happy, for a few moments. Then she will question “why was that so easy? Did he want to be caught” so she won’t appreciate you as much or for that long. It was so easy!

Now imagine you’re a bird who doesn’t want to be caught. She will get up on the bed, the desk, use a lamp or anything else to try and get you in the cage or coax you in there. Now 2 days later you fly in the cage... she will be so delighted you’re in there. She will feed you properly, talk to you, etc because she knew how difficult it was to get you. Her appreciation will be so much higher. Be a wild bird, don’t be a bird that does what she wants just cause you want to make her happy.

Your time and attention is a gift to women. Always live your life not needing validation or acceptance from any human. It’s in the need of others where your suffering begins. This is why here it is reiterated all over “always have the ability to walk away”.

 

[Avocadow]

Thank you for all the thoughful responses, really valuable and will be re reading it.

 

[backseatjuan]

It feels as if unless I am clearly above her in status or can provide her with intense emotions consistently she will decide Im not good enough

In looks. You gotta be good looking. Physically developed, good style. Then you gotta have stiff going for you financially. At this point, woman that rejects has better things going for her. Generally. Often times they dumb.

Feels like having to be at your best or you are not considered good enough.

Yes.
No.
You gotta be her type physically. Whatever man, I listen to too short.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

The benchmark is excellency. * mic drop *

Op is bang on but the focus is on purpose. You on your path in life. Hero's Journey!

Its got to be this red pill awareness, that being women will always walk away from you if you fall ftom grace.

Your pursuing your dream is GOAT STATUS.

New girls are turning 18 19 20 21 every day.

Your being on the Hero's Journey and never detouring will be polarising to the feminine.

Again, IRRELEVANT.

ITS ABOUT GOING OUT ON YOUR ****ING SHIELD.