AllDay85
Senior Don Juan
I've tied her up before, but I never let her tell me what to do before. Should I bring the ties? Or should I escalate and be unpredictable?
Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single
She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
She told me to bring two ties and I don't have to wear them
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
AttackFormation
Master Don Juan
I certainly advocate not letting a woman tell you what you should do, but there comes a limit. When it comes to stuff like play-rape, the suspension of disbelief can only go so far - ultimately you can never cross the line into doing what she actually doesn't want you to do without risking criminal charges. You have to play along. Even if you do something that she dislikes and she doesn't call the cops on you, it's in her power to do so, you just didn't displease her enough at that time for her to do it. This at least to me makes it a futile effort to keep the pretence of being in total control or whatever up through the least detail and at all times. So what's the solution? mix her expectations up. Bring the ties, wrap them around her neck and choke her with them. Say something concise and c0cky that makes fun of her expectation that you'd only use this for tying her up. Then tie her up and choke her with your own hands.
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logicallefty
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Handcuffs.
El Payaso
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It's not about not letting her tell you what to do.
It's about not letting her to tell you to do something you're not comfortable with or don't want to do.
If you love tying her up, then bring it. If not, then don't bring it. You should be happy anyway. She's blatantly telling you the kind of sexual stuff she likes. Too many women are too shy to do that.
It's about not letting her to tell you to do something you're not comfortable with or don't want to do.
If you love tying her up, then bring it. If not, then don't bring it. You should be happy anyway. She's blatantly telling you the kind of sexual stuff she likes. Too many women are too shy to do that.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
AllDay85
Senior Don Juan
Rollo Tomassi really pushes the theory that women expect men to 'just get it' and that negotiated desire will ruin attraction. He writes about it in depth in year 3 of rational male. The whole evolutionary psychology thing is a real eye opener.
I happen to respect plate theory and the rational male blog a lot. What do you guys think? And don't tell me I'm overthinking it. I'm still going to tie her up, I'm still going to give her hard D, I'm still going to have a great time, I just like doing my hw on possible **** tests, and hearing from actual people who have experience with hb 23 year olds, and gaining insight.
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Yes, women expect men to "just get it". However, asking you to bring ties doesn't mean you don't get it. There are many men who would be told the same thing and not even know what to do with it when they get there or would decline because they want to "respect women".
I'm not telling you to follow her request. I'm saying if it is something you would like to do and feel comfortable doing then do it. If not, don't do it.
If it really makes you feel less of a man, you can try reversing it on her by saying "Where's your manners? I didn't hear the P word" When she says "Please". You can say "Good girl. Never forget it".
When you get there, use the ties to whip her for forgetting to say please. Again, just a way to reverse it if you feel her making a request is a power play.
RangerMIke
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Tell her, "I know EXACTLY what you need, you want something special.... you bring it, otherwise trust I know what I'm doing."
Then bring handcuffs. If she brings ties, use them to blind fold and gag her. You have a kinky one.... and she is submission, be dominate and she'll let you do whatever you want including FMF three ways.
Trust me if you are not over the top dominate, she will lose interest in you pretty quick.... Then it's up to you if you want to go along with this. The MOST important thing is that this is what YOU WANT. If you aren't into this sort of thing go find another girl because it should be all about you being happy.
Then bring handcuffs. If she brings ties, use them to blind fold and gag her. You have a kinky one.... and she is submission, be dominate and she'll let you do whatever you want including FMF three ways.
Trust me if you are not over the top dominate, she will lose interest in you pretty quick.... Then it's up to you if you want to go along with this. The MOST important thing is that this is what YOU WANT. If you aren't into this sort of thing go find another girl because it should be all about you being happy.
Atom Smasher
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Don't forget the nightstick.
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You're misunderstanding what it means to remain in control. It doesn't mean you should do this or that depending on what she asks, it's purely your personal choice if you want to go along or not.
Bring them if you want and don't bring them if you don't want to. It's pretty dumb to not listen if you really do want to bring them but don't based on the principle of refusing all she says.
Bring them if you want and don't bring them if you don't want to. It's pretty dumb to not listen if you really do want to bring them but don't based on the principle of refusing all she says.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
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Im leaning on both sides tbh.
but in anything sensual or sexual as a man, you always control the situation..
You wont dance with a chick and let her lead you and spin you .. Would you?
Well even bigger than dancing this is sex talk. Guys should always lead.
Bring the ties but do what u want with them..dont let her say i wanna tie u up and ride u...you dictate.. This is not a broadway play.. This is your sex life
but in anything sensual or sexual as a man, you always control the situation..
You wont dance with a chick and let her lead you and spin you .. Would you?
Well even bigger than dancing this is sex talk. Guys should always lead.
Bring the ties but do what u want with them..dont let her say i wanna tie u up and ride u...you dictate.. This is not a broadway play.. This is your sex life