"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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She says she had a good time... does she mean it?

tsmith2334

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Recently I took a girl out on a quick dinner date, and despite a few mistakes on my part I believe it went well enough

I didn't contact her at all afterwards, I figured I'd wait for her. About four hours after the date was finished, she sent me a message saying "thank youuuu i had a good time!!!"

Is it too cynical to question her sincerity? Would a girl bother contacting you afterwards if she didn't enjoy herself and wasn't interested in seeing you again?

Let me know from your experiences...
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Call her up and invite her to get together again, soon.

What was your vibe during, and after the date? Any talk of you guys doing stuff together? Any light kino? Was she trying to sell herself to you? Was she treating you like a platonic friend? What did you talk about?

Without all the info, it is hard to tell. Looks like your gut told you NO, but she texted you.

Basic $hit, you need to call her up right now.
 

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I think your overall game played through. Afterall, her interest level was high enough to text you. Yes, thats right, she initiated the chase after you..pat yourself on the back.. The ball is in your court. I wouldn't text back right away, but call the next day and set another date up.
 

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words mean nothing. Just don't think about anything she says too much. Pay attention to her actions. Ask her out again and at least kiss her this time.
 

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For what it's worth it was an IM not a text... it was kind of late at night and I was sleeping, she left it while I had my away message on... hope that doesn't matter to you guys... I replied with "me too" and a smiley the following morning

Gangster Of Love said:
What was your vibe during, and after the date? Any talk of you guys doing stuff together? Any light kino? Was she trying to sell herself to you? Was she treating you like a platonic friend? What did you talk about?

Without all the info, it is hard to tell. Looks like your gut told you NO, but she texted you.

Basic $hit, you need to call her up right now.
Thanks for the advice. The vibe wasn't bad at all. It started out pretty good, I could tell she was into me, especially at first sight (eye contact, etc.). There was some talk of us doing stuff together and yes it did seem like she was trying to sell herself to me at certain times.

As for kino I didn't really know to apply it, so it was probably minimal. I'm going to work on that for next time. Actually, our feet were touching for a little while we were eating and neither of us pulled away, I don't know if that counts for anything.

As for the negatives, I wasn't treated like a platonic friend or anything, but I was nervous after the initial adrenaline wore off. I wasn't visibly shaking or anything, I just lacked some of those important DJ tactics. I didn't really take any risks, because I was a little rusty with women and didn't want to come off as trying to hard.

She did contact me afterwards, like I said, I just hope it was sincere and not some obligatory thing she does. I am going to give her a call in the near future and ask her out again, hopefully she'll say yes.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Wolf said:
How are we supposed to know?? What were your mistakes? Telling her you\'d give everything you had to be with her, or something small? Did she smile a lot, did she FAKE smile a lot? We have no idea, we can only advise you on how to find out for yourself, which the above posts do well...
nothing major... i looked down sometimes... i'm not sure how my posture was... i mentioned her cute friend when i probably should have just been focusing on her... i didn't always have something to say... i probably could have used more kino and tried being more C and F... these all could be little things she barely noticed...

I didn't really do much that would turn her off... I'm just not sure how much I did to really turn her on... if that makes sense to ya
 

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Take her on a coffee date (read the coffee date thread), or to the park and begin to drop some kino on this one. Why didn't you kiss/touch her? Call her up and invite her to get together, soon!
 

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Gangster Of Love said:
Take her on a coffee date (read the coffee date thread), or to the park and begin to drop some kino on this one. Why didn't you kiss/touch her? Call her up and invite her to get together, soon!
This is the key to whether or not she enjoyed herself; she agrees to see you again.
 

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Francisco d'Anconia said:
This is the key to whether or not she enjoyed herself; she agrees to see you again.
Ya, I pretty much figured that as well. Thanks... I guess I'll find out soon enough.
 
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