She lies to the men she doesn't respect

[Plinco]

I was talking to a young lady and she was telling me how she uses guys for all kinds of things. Basically beta orbiters. I've noticed this a bit before with other women, but while talking to her it seemed to me that she felt completely justified in leading them on. I didn't say anything about it because I wanted to have her keep talking about it because I thought it was fascinating hearing it from her. It's like a form of narcissism, where the men she doesn't respect deserve to be lied to.

Personally I find this to be objectionable. It's due to a lack of accountability. The solution would be for these dudes to hold the expectation of her coming into their respective frames (life contexts). Does anyone else have any insights to add to this?

 

[Bingo-Player]

I think in the last 10 years women have really kicked the dating game up a level whereas men are still operating like its 2005

An average single woman under 30 probably receives about 1-200 messages a week from men on dating apps / instagram / WhatsApp whatever , maybe 5-10 IRL approaches between work / gym idk whatever lets just use these numbers for example

an average man on the other hand probably receives 10-20 messages a week and maybe makes 1-2 approaches a week ( and thats optimistic )

Again these numbers are estimates but the contrast in volume of interactions is vast

Basically what I'm saying is women can pretty much do whatever they want , theres huge volume of men constantly replenishing themselves for her to toy with

The solution for the man is too just pump his own numbers up , out of a sample of 100 IRL approaches at least 5-10% are going to find you attractive maybe more thats up to 10 girls in rotation and girls wanting to get to know you and it doesn't take THAT long to do 100 approaches

 

[kavi]

This is known as 'game-playing' which is the opposite of The Game. In The Game there is progress and not time and energy wasting which is game-playing. Game-playing is a form of narcisstic time wasting, ego boosting power plays. Sad pathetic women do it to compensate for their negativity hatred and lack of life progress.

They also do it to men they do respect.

They do it because they either have no real opportunities to progress their life in THE GAME or they are insecure and lack confidence to progress things.

Game-playing happens when The Game doesn't, the two are opposites. THE GAME is about progressing life and game-playing is the opposite which is narcisstic destructive non productive behaviours of women who have no outlet to progress their lives and derive real meaning and happiness and progress.

Most men no matter how clued up cannot do much about this, if the woman is now stuck in negativity like most modern women, even high value or dgag alpha guys can be caufht up in a bad game playing scenario as it just depends on the womans mindset and whether she sees attraction as something to progress life with, romantically, socially, etc or something to manipulate guys with.

Tldr its to do with lack of progress in their lifes, insecurity and then using attraction to KEEP men orbiting her to make her feel secure and powerful as her life is making her insecure and powerless.

 

[Plinco]

This is known as 'game-playing' which is the opposite of The Game. In The Game there is progress and not time and energy wasting which is game-playing. Game-playing is a form of narcisstic time wasting, ego boosting power plays. Sad pathetic women do it to compensate for their negativity hatred and lack of life progress.

They also do it to men they do respect.

They do it because they either have no real opportunities to progress their life in THE GAME or they are insecure and lack confidence to progress things.

Game-playing happens when The Game doesn't, the two are opposites. THE GAME is about progressing life and game-playing is the opposite which is narcisstic destructive non productive behaviours of women who have no outlet to progress their lives and derive real meaning and happiness and progress.

Most men no matter how clued up cannot do much about this, if the woman is now stuck in negativity like most modern women, even high value or dgag alpha guys can be caufht up in a bad game playing scenario as it just depends on the womans mindset and whether she sees attraction as something to progress life with, romantically, socially, etc or something to manipulate guys with.

Tldr its to do with lack of progress in their lifes, insecurity and then using attraction to KEEP men orbiting her to make her feel secure and powerful as her life is making her insecure and powerless.

That's an interesting perspective, and a good possible explanation. This girl was definitely insecure and not too smart overall either. Like you said, using your social skills to progress the situation, is basically what I said about expecting her to move into a frame. In other words, either she shows you that she likes you or she is nexted.

 

[The Duke]

I was talking to a young lady and she was telling me how she uses guys for all kinds of things. Basically beta orbiters. I've noticed this a bit before with other women, but while talking to her it seemed to me that she felt completely justified in leading them on. I didn't say anything about it because I wanted to have her keep talking about it because I thought it was fascinating hearing it from her. It's like a form of narcissism, where the men she doesn't respect deserve to be lied to.

Personally I find this to be objectionable. It's due to a lack of accountability. The solution would be for these dudes to hold the expectation of her coming into their respective frames (life contexts). Does anyone else have any insights to add to this?

What you witnessed is very common. Women are experts at not taking accountability and will justify their behavior all day long. Extraction of male resources and attention seeking is a sport to them, just like extraction of easy pu$$y is a sport for us!

 

[Serenity]

The solution would be for these dudes to hold the expectation of her coming into their respective frames (life contexts). Does anyone else have any insights to add to this?

The solution starts with learning that this is a very real thing a big enough portion of women do, then to not in any way reward that and finally to show disgust over their immoral behavior.

I wouldn't even want them to come into my frame, I just want them to fvck off.

 

[jhonny9546]

All of this just makes you reevaluate old "college relationships" as actually the best ones because you and your partner have grown up together. If you both come from good families and have your lives together, it sounds perfect.

While being out in the field can make you a man with game and options, being in a college relationship may lead you to focus on "scarcity" instead of "abundance." However, there are always thresholds you can bend, such as having options and being a high-value man rather than a beta provider.

This really makes me reconsider my friends' long-term relationships in terms of quality, as they are experiencing the deepest connections with another human being and leading happier lives than many others.

 

[plumber]

Almost everyone lies to almost everyone.

Remember, you get what you negotiate AND can enforce, not what you are worth and definitely not what is fair.

You never know what she is thinking, only what she tells she is thinking.

Women lie to men, women lie to women, men lie to men, men lie to women. The ability to lie and bluff are the most important skills for success. Remember lying includes white and black lies and omission of information.

It goes deeper for women, what they feel is the truth. The feelings change, as does the truth. Men view this as lying, and women view other women that do this as lying.

Don't confuse us with the facts...

Get over it....

 

[zekko]

Personally I find this to be objectionable. It's due to a lack of accountability. The solution would be for these dudes to hold the expectation of her coming into their respective frames (life contexts). Does anyone else have any insights to add to this?

Women have their beauty as their weapon, and they use it to their advantage. Just like a lion uses its speed and claws.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Late to the thread. It’s interesting men in the West are like, “Women are socially retarded and have no respect for men. What are we gonna do about it fellas? Oh, just adapt to their retardation.”

 

[Plinco]

Late to the thread. It’s interesting men in the West are like, “Women are socially retarded and have no respect for men. What are we gonna do about it fellas? Oh, just adapt to their retardation.”

haha
Holding others accountable fixes the problem, both for yourself and the other person.

You never know what she is thinking, only what she tells she is thinking.

If you spend enough time with a person, provided you have enough experience with people, you can basically figure the other person out.

The ability to lie and bluff are the most important skills for success. Remember lying includes white and black lies and omission of information.

This is for the most part wrong. Lying is only useful when you're in a situation where you expect others are lying to you and that you are trying to minimize your loses or if you are playing a game like poker. You cannot properly gain something by being dishonest. You'll actually do more to hurt yourself then whatever you're trying to gain. This is why people who commit fraud are some of the least happy people you'll meet. Being fraudulent doesn't earn you anything and will always hurt you in the long run. If you don't believe this, talk to any criminal and get to know that person, you'll see right through them eventually.

It goes deeper for women, what they feel is the truth. The feelings change, as does the truth. Men view this as lying, and women view other women that do this as lying.

The issue here is not strong emotions, but a lack of rationality, effectiveness, and accountability. Just because women have a natural propensity to incorrectly perceive reality, does not give them license to commit fraud, any more than men having a higher sex drive give them license to rape women.

 

[Plinco]

And you can go one level higher and put thoughts into their heads.

If they are receptive to it, yes.

The more you know what you stand for, the less this works on you.

 

[plumber]

This is for the most part wrong. Lying is only useful when you're in a situation where you expect others are lying to you and that you are trying to minimize your loses or if you are playing a game like poker. You cannot properly gain something by being dishonest. You'll actually do more to hurt yourself then whatever you're trying to gain. This is why people who commit fraud are some of the least happy people you'll meet. Being fraudulent doesn't earn you anything and will always hurt you in the long run. If you don't believe this, talk to any criminal and get to know that person, you'll see right through them eventually.

I like your view. It just does not play out. We have a spectrum of lying. I usually don't trust a person that insist they never lie.

 

[Plinco]

I like your view. It just does not play out. We have a spectrum of lying. I usually don't trust a person that insist they never lie.

Well you shouldn't have to be honest with people who are not honest with you. The solution though is to hold people accountable.

 

[Learning Curve]

I was talking to a young lady and she was telling me how she uses guys for all kinds of things. Basically beta orbiters. I've noticed this a bit before with other women, but while talking to her it seemed to me that she felt completely justified in leading them on. I didn't say anything about it because I wanted to have her keep talking about it because I thought it was fascinating hearing it from her. It's like a form of narcissism, where the men she doesn't respect deserve to be lied to.

Personally I find this to be objectionable. It's due to a lack of accountability. The solution would be for these dudes to hold the expectation of her coming into their respective frames (life contexts). Does anyone else have any insights to add to this?

This is a great example of what is happening in our century and how women manipulate guys who are weak and pretty much get destroyed emotionally.

This woman deserves to be in the trash bin and that's where she would have been if it was in my case.

I know horror stories of guys who get manipulated, used for money and eventually they get lost in a mirage of life chasing women like zombies and trying to find a meaning to their sex or love life without any significant goal or end-result.

I know a story of a guy who was married for 20 years with 2 kids, his wife decided to stop sex all together.

She did not want sex anymore. He let her go, then he finds out she is banging some other dude which was expected.

He vanishes, she comes back begs for forgiveness he forgives her, they have sex and the next day she went back to the other dude again and had sex with him.

He got destroyed emotionally. He let her go permanently. But imagine what kind of destruction that is to someone who invests emotions into a woman who is a piece of trash.

This is why this forum exists, and i'm happy it does. Because personally i would never allow such things to happen in the first place, i would sense it coming miles away because my radar and sensors are polished to this century.

I never had a love dissapointment to this extended because i don't allow it to happen. The emotional damage is much bigger then what people think.

 

[jhonny9546]

Remember lying includes white and black lies and omission of information.

It goes deeper for women, what they feel is the truth

And you can go one level higher and put thoughts into their heads.

There is liying/deception everywhere.
Does a Mature and High Value Men do this?

The feelings change, as does the truth.

Totally

 

[RangerMIke]

I really don't blame women for doing this since no one gets used unless they allow themselves to be used.

The man holds the checkbook, he doesn't have to pull it out, he doesn't have to write the check, doesn't have to sign the check, and finally hand it to a woman.

When this happens, it is a simple case of a man losing emotional self-control.

 

[Plinco]

All people manipulate, even the ones who claim not to manipulate.

Basic human interaction is not manipulation. Every person who attempts to gain something by dishonesty should always be held accountable.

but as an experienced con man told me: it's quite easy to lose respect for the mark, just don't let your condescension shine through.

yep

 

[Plinco]

The main problem is that manipulation is seen as 'dishonest' by people who think in absolute terms of right and wrong.

Haha we can have a philosophic discussion if you want.

When you interact with people, you either integrate in reality, mis-integrate, or disintegrate from reality. There's no way getting around that. You either benefit yourself, hurt yourself by accident, or hurt yourself on purpose. What you do has consequences

If you dress above your actual social standing to impress other people or even women specifically, you are manipulating the situation. If you work in an office and talk with a posh affectation to hide your blue collar background, you are manipulating the opinions of your audience.
If a stand-up comedian makes a provocative remark to draw your attention to something, he's manipulating your feelings, but is that bad? Or even unexpected?

That's not manipulation. I think I'm the smartest person in the room most of the time, I talk like it too. I'm not manipulating anyone.

Every person on this board who had a hand in seducing a woman will have manipulated the situation. Comes with the territory.

I just do me and like to have fun with it, and I don't care too much if the woman lands in my bed or not. I don't call that manipulation because I'm not looking to weasel me way into getting another notch on my bedpost. I'll give myself a lot of power over the situation, but that's not manipulation.

Therefore, the moment you're looking to gain something out of an interaction, you will look for ways to manipulate the situation.

Like I said before, basic human interaction is not manipulation (being deliberately dishonest). When I interact with people, I integrate myself in reality, not disintegrate from it.

 

[jhonny9546]

When playing a game: if you cheat, you may find it fun initially, but eventually, you'll completely lose your passion for it and your mission.

This is my feeling when "obviously" manipulating my and other people behaviour