"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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She knew my ex wife

MaddXMan

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Had a lunch date with a hottie earlier this week, she is a pharma sales rep. Like most women who do pharma sales she was very attractive. This was our first meet n greet. Prior to this she initiated much contact and we had a flirty rapport.

During lunch, against my better judgment I asked her if she knew my ex wife, who is also in pharma sales in a different company.

Her eyes widened with shock: "OMG you were married to HER?!"

She said "Yes I met your ex wife a year ago. I was introduced to her by a mutual friend who said 'she's the black version of me.' Your ex wanted me to go to happy hour with her but no way, she's way out of my league."

My ex wife, who I've been divorced from 8 years now, has been in pharma sales a long time and is SUPER social, SUPER outgoing, SUPER gregarious - I mean a whole 'nother level, a consummate sales person. She's also very loud, but very personable and has a way of making you feel like you're her best friend, even though you just met.

So I see what my date meant by the "she's out of my league" comment because my ex can intimidate people...

I tried to play it off, say no she's not out of anyone's league, she's just a regular person once you get to know her blah blah blah.

Don't think it worked. My date said why does Kansas City have to have such a small dating pool where it seems there's always a connection to someone else.

Date ended, she gave me a huge hug, I told her "I'm gonna hit you up soon to go out again" She said that's fine but she still couldn't believe it....

Contacted her again a few days later to go on a real date, she says "sorry I have my boys all weekend" - no counter.

Sucks because we had a rapport but it's gone now. I shouldn't have brought up my ex because chances were 99% they had run into each other at some point.

Her and my ex are not friends, not even facebook friends - any way to salvage this or at least position myself for a chance of a better outcome??
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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speed dawg

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First, why are you going on lunch dates? Second, why are you talking about your ex? Nothing fun can come of that. If this chick wanted to talk drama she'd go hang out with a girl somewhere. Third, she's a single mom.

And no, not much chance of salvaging this. She sees you as a boring, mundane chump obviously. Not very into you. Learn from this mistake.
 

MaddXMan

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we started talking through match and this was our first meet and greet.

I do week day lunch dates or happy hours for internet meetups
 

Greasy Pig

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Go immediate NC and date other women.
No counter offer for a date is a pretty big signal in my experience.
 

amoka

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You just made the mistake I made a while back... never discuss your ex on a date. You see, my ex is a prof (28-yrs old) and it happened that the girl I went on the date with was a student of my ex.. Somehow, I told her she is my ex... the date ended, but not well.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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scrouds

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Yeah, don't talk about exes on a date. You can hint or allude to it if it comes up, but don't talk about it. Especially if she presses you for details.
 

Buddha_Mind

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Avoid ex-discussion always always always!!!!!!!

Instantly pulls the fairy-tale mind from day-dreams of life-with-us or time-together or sexy-time with "HIS LAST WOMAN" or "HIS FORMER WIFE" and BOOM oncome negative negative feelings in the mind.
 

Julius_Seizeher

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"She's a pharma sales rep"

Oh brother, what would my esteemed colleague over at CH, greatbooksformen, have to say about this?

"lolzozlozloz she's actually a salez rep for Bernanke, she gets a commission for divorcing you and converting your physical assets into fiat dollarz lozlzolzoz"

I used to think GBFM was a raving lunatic, but the more I understand of the fiat monetary system, the more I see the correlations between it and all the other ivory tower monstrosities of the left (feminism and the divorce state, women's studies, Keynesian economics, socialism, etc)

Until she proves otherwise, she's working for the Fed lozlzolzoz
 
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