"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Okay guys, the title is just an attention grabber BUT i really need all your advice. So I wanna get into the game, but i have some insecurity issues that are holding me back majorly. First of all, i have braces, which are coming off in about 6 months. The fact that i have them makes me look immature, and its even hard to properly make out in them. Secondly, i'm very scrawny (adding to my immature look) and i will not work out until i'm done growing, because im only 5'10 at 16 (the men in my family are slow growers). I even get mistaken for a 13 year old sometimes, even though im 16. I also have glasses, i had contacts for a while and got no compliments on them, but then i got a new pair of glasses and got dozens of compliments which i found a little bit weird. There are some other body issues that im insecure about, which are currently being taken care of (but could take a while). I do get looks and even conversations with hot women/strangers, but its usually inncoent and never leads to anything. When i see those hot mature women i feel unworthy to even go talk to them, because i know i'll come off as just some horny kid. I dont know how much i can accomplish until these issues are fixed but i'm scared that once they're fixed, i'll be done high school, and be without a girlfriend...

any advice?
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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saber101 said:
Okay guys, the title is just an attention grabber BUT i really need all your advice. So I wanna get into the game, but i have some insecurity issues that are holding me back majorly. First of all, i have braces, which are coming off in about 6 months. The fact that i have them makes me look immature, and its even hard to properly make out in them. Secondly, i'm very scrawny (adding to my immature look) and i will not work out until i'm done growing, because im only 5'10 at 16 (the men in my family are slow growers). I even get mistaken for a 13 year old sometimes, even though im 16. I also have some other body issues that im insecure about, which are currently being taken care of (but could take a while). I do get looks and even conversations with hot women/strangers, but its usually inncoent and never leads to anything. When i see those hot mature women i feel unworthy to even go talk to them, because i know i'll come off as just some horny kid. I dont know how much i can accomplish until these issues are fixed but i'm scared that once they're fixed, i'll be done high school, and be without a girlfriend...

any advice?
Forget the insecurities.

You have a tool here that you don't see.

First I'd like to point out so many guys here have "problems" which have a good side, which can be used.

You said most of your conversations with hot women were innocent, you can use that to your advantage. You can fly in under the radar with a simple opener like "What's the time?" or something and escalate from there.

You need to work on your Inner Game here, have you ever watched seduction school? It's about a hugeass fat guy, a tall scrawny guy and a midget trying to learn the art of Don Juaning. It proves that looks make less difference than most people think.

Work with what you have got, be confident, if you think there is something wrong with you, women will pick it up, if you think you are the best thing since sliced bread, they will pick that up too.
 

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dude why are u saying your only 5'10 at 16. thats pretty tall. if u wanna build confidence just talk to more and more girls. if u wanna look mature grow a beard and if thats not possible change your hair style or your look.
 

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By the way, I'm pretty sure your thread can be deleted if a Mod sees the title does not match the topic.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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do you have a scar from the bite? that must have hurt. i once got mine stuck in my zipper.
 

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Damn and I was going to laugh at you....

Oh well.

Anyway, if you're still growing, that's when you're supposed to work out...not AFTER you grow :S
 

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Working out does not stunt growth, its a myth. As long as you have perfect form you should not have a problem. I suggest you go to the Health and Fitness Forum and look up some articles.

You should start here:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=110033

Before you start worrying about getting a woman, start improving yourself. Identify your flaws and strengthen them. Workout, join a sport, get a new hobby, anything, as long as you are growing and challenging yourself. If you are not growing you are dying.
 

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I didn't read your post but going from your title I would say fist her until she bleeds.
 

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NeedsAGuitar said:
Working out does not stunt growth, its a myth. As long as you have perfect form you should not have a problem. I suggest you go to the Health and Fitness Forum and look up some articles.

You should start here:
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=110033

Before you start worrying about getting a woman, start improving yourself. Identify your flaws and strengthen them. Workout, join a sport, get a new hobby, anything, as long as you are growing and challenging yourself. If you are not growing you are dying.
where did you study medicine? there are many doctors who would not agree with what you just typed.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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where did you study medicine? there are many doctors who would not agree with what you just typed.
Are you saying that working out in middle or high school stunts growth? Because that sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Let's see some actual sources.
 
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Are you saying that working out in middle or high school stunts growth? Because that sounds pretty ridiculous to me. Let's see some actual sources.
its proven it can with out proper form

if ur below 15 its recommended u have a trainer or ur dad or some one whos REALLY knows what their doin

met a kid once who screwed up his back lifting
almost broke it going to the HS gym at 14 nvr having lift before and put some crazy amount of weight on for squats and some how managed to lift it and ended up on the floor 2 fractures in his back

i know this story cuz my little sis (6th grader now 5th grade when it started)
was in the hospital for awhile cuz she got a nerve cuaght in one of those fractures that nvr rly bother u (called stress fractures and most ppl at one point have one)
 

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The Columbus Myth said:
its proven it can with out proper form

if ur below 15 its recommended u have a trainer or ur dad or some one whos REALLY knows what their doin

met a kid once who screwed up his back lifting
almost broke it going to the HS gym at 14 nvr having lift before and put some crazy amount of weight on for squats and some how managed to lift it and ended up on the floor 2 fractures in his back

i know this story cuz my little sis (6th grader now 5th grade when it started)
was in the hospital for awhile cuz she got a nerve cuaght in one of those fractures that nvr rly bother u (called stress fractures and most ppl at one point have one)
The kid you met....that's his fault, not theirs.

I've been working out since 15 and I'm fine. Working out doesn't mean lifting the heaviest thing you can find as soon as you get there....
 

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how many people begin lifting with good form and don't over do it from the start? i say less than 2%. hence, why you should hold off the weights until your body develops more.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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These things are all icing on the cake that you're worried about.

You don't even have a cake yet.

If you don't look like shrek then don't worry about it. Do what you can to improve yourself and move on in life which should be your main priority.

What you REALLY need to do is GET OUT THERE and start COLD APPROACHING EVERYONE.

You will learn with experience. Keep your head up through the muck. Right now it seems like you're struggling just to breathe because it's up to your head but if you manage to keep walking you're going to find that the muck gets shallow. If you stay where you are you're going to do just that..... You're going to stay where you are.

You need to keep walking regardless of what happens and you need to get some experience. KEEP GOING.
 

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The Columbus Myth said:
its proven it can with out proper form

if ur below 15 its recommended u have a trainer or ur dad or some one whos REALLY knows what their doin

met a kid once who screwed up his back lifting
almost broke it going to the HS gym at 14 nvr having lift before and put some crazy amount of weight on for squats and some how managed to lift it and ended up on the floor 2 fractures in his back
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Yeah no shiat, man. OF COURSE if you don't lift properly you can get injured, no matter your age. The question was whether you lifting weights as a teen can "stunt growth". If this were actually true, all football players would be 5' 4" 190 lbs.

It's funny how you say it's proven and then go on to give two random examples from your personal life.
 

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how many people begin lifting with good form and don't over do it from the start? i say less than 2%. hence, why you should hold off the weights until your body develops more.
LOL...backtracking are we? I thought you disagreed when NeedsaGuitar said that "working out stunts growth is a myth".

And where's the evidence for your 2%? Sure, a lot of people are stupid, but not 98% of people who work out. Too extreme.

And even if it was 2%, how would your body growing more really help, if you're going to overdo it anyway? If you're 15 and 140 lbs and try to bench 225, you're probably hurt yourself. But if you're 21 and 180 lbs and try to bench 250 (you're more confident about your abilities) you can still hurt yourself. Hence, your point makes no sense.
 

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You're 5'10"? I'm 18 and I'm 5'8" and I have no problems. Don't worry about your height to much.
 
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