"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Serious help guys!!!

cuffs.allister

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1. I have no fear of rejection.
2. I'm picky with the girls I approach.
3. I have no case of one-itis.

I open with, "Hi, I saw you and I think you're cute, so I came to say hi", but, for some strange reason, I'm never able to number close. Also, I have no problem keeping the conversation going, and I'm quiet comfortable talking to girls.

So, my question is, what is my problem? Is my opener too direct? If so, is there a post which explains indirect game?
 
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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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youngmack

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How are your looks? Remember looks are the first aspect girls look at to decide if they would allow you to game them or not...if she dosent find you attractive she will not give you her math.
 

TillTheEndOfTime

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Don't freak out about number closing. I don't know you very well, but if you are somewhat good at reading a girl's body language, you probably subconsciously realize that she's not into you. That's why the number close doesn't come naturally.

Don't approach with the idea of an "end goal" in mind. All it does is put pressure on you and make the approach awkward. It also makes you robotic. That's not attractive at all. It is usually easy to tell when a girl is obviously into you with some experience.

Oh and the opener is too direct. The advantage of day game and cold approaches is that the shields don't tend to be up in full force like a club/bar. With a direct opener like that, the shields tend to go up RIGHT away.
 

Desdinova

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cuffs.allister said:
So, my question is, what is my problem?
You still have a fear of rejection and need to overcome it by number closing. Choose a default line when you end the conversation with the woman. I usually use something like "Well, I have to go but would love to continue chatting. How about you give me your number and we'll arrange something."

Also, I would change the "I saw you and think you're cute" to "I saw you and you looked interesting". Compliments from the get-go will put a woman's shield up since social conditioning has trained them to believe that compliments from a stranger means the stranger wants her for nothing but sex.
 

cuffs.allister

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How are your looks?
I don't know how to answer this, but I'm not ugly.

Oh and the opener is too direct.
Thanks for the advice TillTheEndOfTime.

"Well, I have to go but would love to continue chatting. How about you give me your number and we'll arrange something."
Thanks Desdinova, for this close.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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