"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Self Improvement Is "Weird"

Plinco

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In my experience, the more independent minded I've become, the better my life had been. The more I've taken control for my own sake, the more I've re-shaped the world around me to fit my needs. The reason is straight forward. I know what my needs are more acutely than anyone else. I also know the details of my relationship with my needs and what specific aspect within myself that ought to be worked out or brought out as developed traits. So the conclusion is simple. The more independent you are, the more successful you can potentially be.

I've held the view that people would make that connection, that people would admire me for my independent mindedness. However in many cases nothing could be further than that. Years ago I worked for a place and some manager from another company came in. This guy thought I was doing a good job and patted me on my back. I asked him politely not to do that, and he got upset, I then asked him how would he like it if I patted him on his back. He got even more angry with my question and a verbal altercation ensued that almost started a fist fight between him and I. One of my managers had to get in between us and had to separate us. I think that being in a more self-improved mindset appears as anti-social to those who are in a less developed stage.

I've seen similar things on this forum. I've decided not to name names and just use quotes from people here to illustrate my point. Keep in mind that this is a self-improvement forum.

Being a coward in the face of people shaming you is not the mark of maturity or masculinity.
The fact you think this is "being a coward" shows you are still thinking like a teen in a grown man's body.

Grow up. It's never too late.

you do not listen
A few years ago , there was a guy here under the name of " Richard the frog " . He used to ask million questions, received a million answers, and then went and did the opposite. Eventually, he was banned.


Only desperate guys are willing bang a woman that will give them five minutes of pleasure and a week of low self-esteem.
But you were fine going to some 20 years old house when her parents were there and getting 10 seconds.

SMFH.

Beyond hopeless cause.
(That's what I get for having my own preferences instead of someone else's)

When I said he's not an authority figure, I meant not for me.
so in response I get this:

I’m sorry but I have no idea what the f*ck you’re trying to say.

Plinco I wish you the best of luck. You’ve rubbed us the wrong way, and bros are the easiest people to get along with. A lot of the stuff you say has come across as weird, socially awkward, arrogant, insulting, passive aggressive, etc., the list goes on.

Women can spot these qualities a mile away. Hence, the names they called you such as “weird”, and “creep”.


This is just little bits of from two threads. There are more examples which I'm not going to dig up, but you get the point. Most of these comments got 'likes' from other people which is all the more confusing and frustrating.

What I've learned everywhere I go is that you cannot expect people to understand or appreciate your own development. In fact by expecting people to understand or appreciate your independent mindedness is setting yourself up for failure with those people. The lesson is that never try to convince anyone of anything. I love debating with people but I've noticed that others don't see it that way so a different approach is needed. When I used to work for other people I used to have all kinds of problems with them, so the solution was to work for myself. In my day to day interactions, I pick and chose the people whom I want to interact with and lead by example for those who are less independent minded.


The lessons I've learned are to keep growing but don't expect people to admire you for it; Expect at least some hostility.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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The Duke

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The only ones that are going to admire your independent thinking are those who are independent as well and see themself in you, OR those that aren't strong enough to be independent but wish they were.

Most of the experienced veterans on this forum are pretty independent thinkers. Being independent is a prerequisite for becoming highly experienced with women.
 

KevinRyman22

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This kinda falls into "not everything needs a thread". Thee just sound like your shower thoughts, or todays thoughts thrown into a topic.

Stop thinking so much, go do something brother. Something tells me you feel unaccomplished and weak or have felt like this for years. GO empower yourself, lift weights, find purpose, be a man-- not this introspective whiny girl.
 
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