"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Seduction by teaching seduction?

theunflushables

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So, their is the 20 year old girl I take smoke breaks with at work. I've had the thought "wow, I bet she'd be a great fvck" and really thats about it.

Anyways, the other day she was *****ing about some boy and I absent mindedly called him an AFC. Which, then I had to explain what an AFC was. Loving how the description of an AFC matched this kid and wanting to know how to get back at him for all the mind games he's played with her, she wants me to start teaching her as she calls it "dating tricks".

Now the two part question.

1. Should I teach her some stuff (negs, DHV, IOIs etc)?

2. Could I seduce her through teaching her seduction? Invite her over so I can teach her stuff in more than 15 minute intervals escalate kino and such. Or would this make it seem clinical?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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guywhoneedshelp

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HAHAHA OMG i'm not laughing at you, I'm laughing because this happened to me in a situation and eventually the girl turned into an FB and has been a wing / social proof builder for me, and I'm on the verge of doing it with a SECOND girl.

This girl was always just kinda "one of the guys" because we met her in school, where we all study TV production, and she dropped out or whatever but we'd still go to her house, play pool, etc. And we'd really just talk and say things like "man why was he being such an AFC that day" and eventually I ended up teaching her the whole thing with urbandictionary and wikipedia. Then we had sex and she's totally cool with who I am because by me teaching her how men think she feels a lot of comfort and trust with me.

This second girl, I took her to the movies. She's like HB7.5 only but whatever, I wanted to see the movie, why go alone. Movie is called best friends girl, I slip and say "what an AFC" about Jason Biggs character. She wanted to know what an AFC was so when I got home I sent her an IM with the wikipedia link. Same story, next time she came over we watched a movie, made out, probably will bang her eventually if she's not on period next time.

So yea it work, depends on the girl. I think you can build comfort and trust in her. Also, my ex, I used to give her guy friends seduction advice and she'd be listening, and I'd teach them not to be an AFC, to spin plates, etc. I dunno if it helped build the attraction but I think these women were intrigued to learn form somebody how men think, which helped us connect because I was connecting to their inner thought process.

Oh I forgot, another girl I seduced with this method. The day after I bought mysterys book, I showed it to her, then told her "yea I'm workin on getting a new radio show where we teach guys how to seduce." we fvucked that day first time I ever fvcked her
 
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