Russia helping Bernie's campaign?

[Bible_Belt]

Bernie cannot win this particular fight, this is a long established smear of "socialists". If he isn't poor he is a champagne socialist, if he is poor he is invoking the politics of envy. There is no way out of the smear labyrinth.

I am yet to see a Trump 2020 sign at a nice house. It is always a trailer or something old and marginally habitable. These people really believe that the socialist is coming for their wealth, so they must vote for Trump, who wants to take away their food stamps, healthcare, and any other social service he can cut.

 

[Xenom0rph]

I am yet to see a Trump 2020 sign at a nice house. It is always a trailer or something old and marginally habitable. These people really believe that the socialist is coming for their wealth, so they must vote for Trump, who wants to take away their food stamps, healthcare, and any other social service he can cut.

That's cause people in nice houses dont want their homes vandalized by blue-haired, gender-confused leftists..... Most rich Trump supporters are on the down low....

Also bear in mind that it's the establishment dems launching smears against Bolshevik Bernie right now as it's still primary season... It ain't the right wing homies doing it yet at this stage.....

 

[Billtx49]

I am yet to see a Trump 2020 sign at a nice house. It is always a trailer or something old and marginally habitable. These people really believe that the socialist is coming for their wealth, so they must vote for Trump, who wants to take away their food stamps, healthcare, and any other social service he can cut.

consider upgrading your residence location and abandoning mental assumptions …

 

[AttackFormation]

Also bear in mind that it's the establishment dems launching smears against Bolshevik Bernie right now as it's still primary season... It ain't the right wing homies doing it yet at this stage.....

Going by opinion polls, most americans want the policies that Bernie advocates (and also things that are not direct policy, notably that most people are in favor of unions). The problems are threefold: 1) Scareword conditioning; people are for or against a policy depending on which words you use to describe it, 2) About half of potential voters don't vote (and this segment is more likely to favor Sander's policies), 3) Voter suppression tactics.

But because most people are in favor of new deal liberal/social democratic policies, like Sanders's, and the scareword conditioning is wearing off in tandem with a rise in fact checking, the Republicans and right wing Democrats' attacks can no longer be as simplistic as they could be before by just saying "socialism". Once people aren't conditioned to be afraid, and they start fact checking stuff, demagoguery becomes more complex.

 

[Xenom0rph]

Going by opinion polls, most americans want the policies that Bernie advocates (and also things that are not direct policy, notably that most people are in favor of unions). The problems are threefold: 1) Scareword conditioning; people are for or against a policy depending on which words you use to describe it, 2) about half of potential voters don't vote (and this segment is more likely to favor Sander's policies), 3) voter suppression tactics.

But because most people are in favor of new deal liberal/social democratic policies, like Sanders's, and the scareword conditioning is wearing off, the Republicans and right wing Democrats will need more sophisticated attacks than what they've gotten away with in the past.

The smart play for the right wing would be to continue mocking the dem candidates but NOT run any smears....because smears from the right would unite the dem candidates and we dont want that....

....we want them to keep bickering amongst each other.....and when the eventual nominee is declared, there will be so much bad blood that they will back out of their word to support the nominee and fracture the vote.....thus allowing Trump to comfortably win the EC....

....recall that the tide turned in Trump's favor when Clinton labelled the MAGA crowd "basket of deplorables".... By labelling us she actually united us....

....we on the right need to be careful not to let the left unify....

 

[Xenom0rph]

Trump just tweeted:

"Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada. Biden & the rest look weak, & no way Mini Mike can restart his campaign after the worst debate performance in the history of Presidential Debates. Congratulations Bernie, & don’t let them take it away from you!"

...this how it's done. Don't run smears right now, just talk sh1t and encourage your rivals to cannibalize each other....

 

[AttackFormation]

Trump just tweeted:

"Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada. Biden & the rest look weak, & no way Mini Mike can restart his campaign after the worst debate performance in the history of Presidential Debates. Congratulations Bernie, & don’t let them take it away from you!"

...this how it's done. Don't run smears right now, just talk sh1t and encourage your rivals to cannibalize each other....

The right wing Democrats have to hope that Bernie doesn't get a majority, so their superdelegates can pick the candidate they want without it looking too conspicuous. But if Bernie does get a majority and basically becomes forced to be the candidate by the voter base, then Trump has to hope that the EC will appoint himself over Bernie, but again the margin can't be too large or it will look too conspicuous.

The best shot Trump has is if the Democrats' superdelegates pick someone other than Bernie, and the process becomes so controversial that a large share of Democratic voters either abstain from voting in the presidential campaign or vote for Trump out of spite. If Bernie is the presidential candidate, Trump will lose the popular vote.

Then again the Senate is majority Republican anyway, so even if Bernie wins, how much can he really do.

 

[Black Widow Void]

It's interesting that a 26 year old from Sweden is more enlightened than the average middle-aged US male. I would not blame you, if you were laughing at the general mentality of the avg US citizen.

The right wing Democrats have to hope that Bernie doesn't get a majority, so their superdelegates can pick the candidate they want without it looking too conspicuous. But if Bernie does get a majority and basically becomes forced to be the candidate by the voter base, then Trump has to hope that the EC will appoint himself over Bernie, but again the margin can't be too large or it will look too conspicuous.

The best shot Trump has is if the Democrats' superdelegates pick someone other than Bernie, and the process becomes so controversial that a large share of Democratic voters either abstain from voting in the presidential campaign or vote for Trump out of spite. If Bernie is the presidential candidate, Trump will lose the popular vote.

Then again the Senate is stacked with Republican senators anyway, so even if Bernie wins, how much can he really do.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Then again the Senate is majority Republican anyway, so even if Bernie wins, how much can he really do.

On the bright side, McConnell is up for re election in kentucky, and it is not looking good. He is unpopular due to a wide perception that he has *not* done enough to help the president. Those broke ass white people in his state are seriously p!ssed off that they still have healthcare.

 

[AttackFormation]

It's interesting that a 26 year old from Sweden is more enlightened than the average middle-aged US male. I would not blame you, if you were laughing at the general mentality of the avg US citizen.

To some extent yes when I see disinformation parroted that can easily be fact checked, but I try to have more of both compassion and humility than to mock other people too much. I know that my own wisdom is ever a work in progress in itself, and the greatest insight of wisdom is to know how doubtful your own wisdom is liable to be. I also try to have a philosophy of acceptance of people and reality.

 

[AttackFormation]

On the bright side, McConnell is up for re election in kentucky, and it is not looking good. He is unpopular due to a wide perception that he has *not* done enough to help the president. Those broke ass white people in his state are seriously p!ssed off that they still have healthcare.

lol... I think the Republicans had both a House and Senate majority, right? And they still didn't "repeal and replace" Romneycare--err I mean Obamacare. The fact that the legislation is indeed a corrupt collusion between the federal government and the healthcare lobby only makes it all the more detachment-inducing that people still support the same people and party when they show their true colors of supporting that corruption.

As a swede, the dogged commitment that the american healthcare lobby has to spread disinformation about universal healthcare is just incredible to behold. It's like a propaganda organ out of a totalitarian state.

 

[Xenom0rph]

lol... I think the Republicans had both a House and Senate majority, right? And they still didn't "repeal and replace" Romneycare--err I mean Obamacare. The fact that the legislation is indeed a corrupt collusion between the federal government and the healthcare lobby only makes it all the more detachment-inducing that people still support the same people and party when they show their true colors of supporting that corruption.

The individual mandate has been repealed which means Obamacare is effectively neutralized....

 

[AttackFormation]

The individual mandate has been repealed which means Obamacare is effectively neutralized....

What do you think about universal healthcare?

 

[Xenom0rph]

What do you think about universal healthcare?

.......Bullsh1t......

..... Healthcare is a personal responsibility, not a right....

 

[AttackFormation]

.......Bullsh1t......

..... Healthcare is a personal responsibility, not a right....

So you are opposed to it on ideological rather than pragmatic grounds?

 

[Xenom0rph]

So you are opposed to it on ideological rather than pragmatic grounds?

Both ideological and pragmatic... The US is a huge nation that fields a tremendous military to defend the petro dollar.... We cant fund Medicare 4 All, free college, and also the military....

....and cutting military spending is simply not a viable option at this point....whether you like or dislike (i personally dislike) the petro dollar, it has to be propped up at this point to maintain world order....

....the US and Scandinavia are not comparable on the healthcare issue.... Scandinavia doesnt have an out-of-control immigration problem and doesnt field a massive military and doesnt have the burden of being the world's reserve currency....

 

[AttackFormation]

Both ideological and pragmatic... The US is a huge nation that fields a tremendous military to defend the petro dollar.... We cant fund Medicare 4 All, free college, and also the military....

....and cutting military spending is simply not a viable option at this point....whether you like or dislike (i personally dislike) the petro dollar, it has to be propped up at this point to maintain world order....

....the US and Scandinavia are not comparable on the healthcare issue.... Scandinavia doesnt have an out-of-control immigration problem and doesnt field a massive military....

If you had universal healthcare, you would save money. The current system of healthcare you have is the most expensive in the world by far in both private and public expense. Universal college would likewise save money because if colleges are operated as non-profits their cost will be lower as they no longer need to make a profit, and people will simply spend some of the money they used to have to pay in tuition fees as taxes instead. Of course you can also combine this universal college policy with a thorough system of auditing (like the University of California went through to some extent for example) to cut the huge bloat of corrupt or unnecessary expenses.

Same thing with the military. If you just got rid of cost-plus pricing in military procurements, you could save huge sums of money on that alone even if you don't cut the military budget per se.

20% of Sweden's population is born abroad, we have plenty of immigration here. You are right that Sweden doesn't field a massive military, but having America's system of healthcare, college and cost-plus military pricing would make it much HARDER for Sweden to expand its military by decreasing available tax revenue and increasing other public expenses, not easier.

 

[AttackFormation]

By the way.... that whole debacle about Trump's tax returns couldn't have happened in Sweden, because tax returns among other things are public information. They also come pre-filed by the tax authority, it takes me a minute to log in and electronically sign it off, then you get a tax refund later.

Sweden isn't a utopia, but I hope Bernie or someone like him wins at some point and is able to have both the grassroots groundswell and the political mandate to turn America into a better Sweden, an example to the rest of the world. Green new deal, modernized urban planning, shorter workweeks, a new surge of grassroots unions, socialization of natural monopolies, more productive tax system that taxes wealth more than wages and consumption like it used to be in America, cracking down on tax evasion, implementation of greater anti-corruption organization, an end to the military and prison-industrial complexes and redirection of excessive military spending to the humanities and sciences.... and for fvck sake, implement the metric system and either the day/month/year or year/month/day dating system but get rid of the month/day/year one lol...

If all that happens, America will become a beacon of futurism. The thing with America is that it's polarized enough for people to be lulled out of their apathy and these things to happen there. With great polarization may eventually come great change.

 

[Xenom0rph]

Socialists just believe in free things at the expense of others. They don't have the depth of knowledge or critical thinking to see that they are still paying for these things, it is just hidden and more expensive than ever due to the new administrative costs from socializing it.

Bolshevik Bernie, champion of $15/hr min wage, got called out for paying his staffers less than $15/hr....

....he finally relented and paid $15/hr but had to reduce their hours to part time for it to be economically feasible.....

.....socialism.....

 

[AttackFormation]

Bolshevik Bernie, champion of $15/hr min wage, got called out for paying his staffers less than $15/hr....

....he finally relented and paid $15/hr but had to reduce their hours to part time for it to be economically feasible.....

.....socialism.....

Haha, Bolshevik Bernie did Trump call him that?

If anything is important to the left wing of the Democratic party candidates, it'll be to put their money where their mouth is.