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The official figure is 30% but keep in mind men are not likely to admit their shortcomings openly

So the true figure is probably over 40% and nearing half of all men already

Many guys ARE incel but in denial. The human brain is weirdly strong at that

But hey, if we are heading to 50% at least you're far from alone (ironically)
Yes, you have to adjust the official figure for:

1) Guys who exaggerated.

2) Guys who indeed had sex within the last year or whatever... Because they had a couple of lucky or remorseful one night stands. But they had no sex life.

3) Guys who indeed had a sex life - because they were dating down.

So how many guys both have a consistent sex life, and with a woman they arent dating down for? That would also be a figure to see.
 
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It really speaks volumes about the fragility of male ego when guys have to make up fake stories to impress random anonymous dudes on the internet.....

....like seriously, why not just use the anonymity of the internet to speak openly and honestly about the struggles of the dating market.....???....

That's why I respect the Incel and MGTOW boys, they admit they have problems, they don't make up fake as5 stories about banging h0es at will.....
 

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If no one knows of the solution or how incels could control it, then the fact that "solutions" seem to randomly occur around the incels isn't much of a counterargument to what they'd gripe about
Incels can't comprehend it because it's normally not anything people think about.

Normal people hang out with other normal people, and eventually hook up with other normal people.

The common answer is to "be more social" but then the incel sees being social as a means to an end, which causes any social behavior to be very non congruent and forced.

Normal people are naturally social because that's what normal people do without thinking.

Normal relationships are an organic, natural outcome of that.

There is no easy answer.

Incels are essentially locked out of all normal social behavior, and everything that comes with that including normal, organic relationships.

This isn't anything that's easy fixed.

Kind of like from here on, plenty of people will be locked out of any normal economic life.

"Normal" life is becoming increasingly inaccessible to plenty of people.

If you don't have a "normal" life growing up (school, friends, jobs, etc) that normal neural circuitry doesn't get wired in and it will always seem foreign.

Who knows why, maybe there are less external constraints keeping people in check.

Humans don't do well without external constraints.

But a lot of sectors of society are not behaving "normally" compared to a decade or so ago.

Suddenly becoming a self starter after years of aimlessly drifting is not an easy thing.
 

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Redpill vs Blackpill

Interesting how both streams started simultaneously on youtube. Face has way more viewers but I do think both sides make good points. It's healthy for the Manosphere. The truth always lies somewhere in between
I think Rollo is great for the underlying theory - and, for men who have ascended, to keep the frame - however, his advice won't help you game a woman to find you interesting enough to go on a date with you, which of course is what PUA is supposed to help you get.

Face has taken the Black Pill to new heights with his extraordinary deep dive into facial morphology and wonderfully poignant video examples of the Black Pill, like the segment from the '80s about how a short man would only be considered more desirable than regular men if all those other men were "child m0lesters" :mad:, or how a severely deformed woman still requires her man be 6', or how pathetic it is watching a man with Marfan's Syndrome do "day street game", etc. And his SUPER LONG chats, with callers, are great too.
 

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Incels can't comprehend it because it's normally not anything people think about.

Normal people hang out with other normal people, and eventually hook up with other normal people.

The common answer is to "be more social" but then the incel sees being social as a means to an end, which causes any social behavior to be very non congruent and forced.

Normal people are naturally social because that's what normal people do without thinking.

Normal relationships are an organic, natural outcome of that.

There is no easy answer.

Incels are essentially locked out of all normal social behavior, and everything that comes with that including normal, organic relationships.

This isn't anything that's easy fixed.
Precisely.

And I'm sure plenty of "normies" have good intentions when they try to give advice. But even they don't know EXACTLY how they and their significant other went from strangers to intimate partners. All they can do is try to "reverse engineer" their past (in their minds) i.e. essentially speculate on how it might have happened. Even if their assessment is correct, such advice is unlikely to help a 'cel friend who (because of stunted or missed early experiences with women) is the equivalent of a foreigner living in an area where he doesn't know the language (and the normies are all native speakers).
 

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Precisely.

The PUAs brainwashed guys into thinking that the "approach" needs the precision of a space shuttle takeoff, and if you are off in the slightest, you will be rejected. The reality is that women that are attracted to you are often forgiving of minor flaws and mistakes when you go talk to them. Unless you are doing something truly offensive like insulting her or staring non-stop at her boobs, it's not your approach that is the problem; you just aren't her type.
It's part of the PUA con... which sells guys on the idea they can make anything happen with any chick. It's fvcking stupid. She either likes you, or she doesn't. If she doesn't like you no dancing around like a grinder monkey begging for coins will do you any good. And if she does like you, all you can do is fvck it up. But these clowns try to convince dudes with more money than brains, that any man can land a 10.
 

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guy in the wheel chair banging 3 women put the whole matter to rest
 

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The world needs more sluts, otherwise it's going to be IncelWorld.
they're all on only fans making bank now from the age of like 14 lol


Makes me laugh so much when cucks on reddit are like 'older guys shouldn't be trying to bang teenagers as they are too easy to manipulate bla bla bla'' as if we're talking about 6 year olds who you could bribe with some candy or use reverse psychology lmao!
These hot 16-19 year olds nowadays are confident sexual girls who are WELL aware of their sexual worth and would destroy some ugly adult trying to bang her lol. I'd pay good money to watch one of these reddit neckbears try to 'manipluate' some hot 18 year old into sex as they al seem to think they could do if they wanted too lmao
 
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