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Then it would stand to reason that the attraction between you and your gf should be more than skin deep. That's why so many of us advise to walk when disrespect surfaces, because her respect for you is what keeps her committed. Cold blooded pragmatism involves a lot of walking.
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How exactly does a girl earn a compliment on her looks? Sure she can dress up, do her hair, and put on makeup, but I don't think that's what is meant here by earning. I know the consensus here is to never compliment a girl on her looks, I'm just trying to wrap my head around this. I know enough not to tell a woman she's beautiful (even if I'm thinking it), but the logic still seems a little fuzzy to me.
They earn it by wearing something that makes the figure stand out, or my applying makeup just so, or keeping the ice cream in the freezer, etc.

Perhaps I am an oddball amongst men, but I will look at attractive women for nothing more than the opportunity to view upon a beautiful lass that get my pleasure hormones pumping.
 
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They earn it by wearing something that makes the figure stand out, or my applying makeup just so, or keeping the ice cream in the freezer, etc.

Perhaps I am an oddball amongst men, but I will look at attractive women for nothing more than the opportunity to view upon a beautiful site that get my pleasure hormones pumping.
Still absorbs attention.
 

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When a woman is having an affair with a man who her hindbrain acknowledges as an Alpha, it feels like cheating to her when she has sex with her Beta husband. Her ‘loyalty’ shifts to the Alpha she’s cheating with because he’s her best option and she can’t afford losing him.
I don't think her brain really does anything. She lives in the moment of how she feels. If she's attracted to the guy she's cheating with in that moment, she'll do it. If her beta husband does something that makes her feel attracted to him, she'll sleep with him too. Women know they're cheating with the alpha. They don't feel like they're cheating on the alpha with the beta. They do what feels right at the time.

Rollo has a lot of good stuff, but I think he'd have a better perspective if he actually experienced some of this stuff first hand.
 

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That's because human sexuality, aside from the anatomy :rolleyes:, is a topic in psychology, perhaps even anthropology, not biology. Animal ethology is squarely a topic in zoology.
Yes human behavior and sexual strategies are not covered in biology and can be much more complex

However there is similar strategies in the animal kingdom that should be studied in evolutionary and behavioral biology.

I remember studying some species reproductive behavior where the inter-gender sexual competition is exhibited but its mostly approach as a species sexual strategy and not from the angle of the competition between make and female.

The Red Queen by Matt Ridley open my eyes on the concept.
 
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When a woman is having an affair with a man who her hindbrain acknowledges as an Alpha, it feels like cheating to her when she has sex with her Beta husband. Her ‘loyalty’ shifts to the Alpha she’s cheating with because he’s her best option and she can’t afford losing him.

Couldnt agree more, thats where female loyalty goes to... the guy with the best DNA while no gratitude goes to whoever of inferior stock commits to her and her kids.

Now think about all those average guys whos girlfriend takes time to return their calls or those married men whos wifes happen not to like bl0wjobs.
Dead accurate boys. Sex sex sex and sex is the glue.
 

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I don't think her brain really does anything. She lives in the moment of how she feels. If she's attracted to the guy she's cheating with in that moment, she'll do it. If her beta husband does something that makes her feel attracted to him, she'll sleep with him too. Women know they're cheating with the alpha. They don't feel like they're cheating on the alpha with the beta. They do what feels right at the time.

Rollo has a lot of good stuff, but I think he'd have a better perspective if he actually experienced some of this stuff first hand.
he is actually spot on. Girls get oneitis much more easily then men. Especially if your an actual alpha:down::down::down::down:
 

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Well, you’re not alone. In fact, every woman will experience a drop in her libido throughout any relationship – even if you’re dating, say, Johnny Depp.

It’s called the Limerence Period and Dr Rosie goes into it at length in her book, Where Did My Libido Go?.

She said a woman’s lust runs on two neuro-transmitters, dopamine and adrenalin, which peter out during the first six, twelve or eighteen months of their new relationship.

Yes, you can literally count the honeymoon period on your fingers and toes. And after that?

“After the Limerence phase, many women will never again or rarely feel enough desire for them to initiate sex.”

Sorry guys.

“That is very disappointing for the woman and very disappointing for her partner because she’s gone from being a hot tamale to being, at best, receptive to his sexual advances and, at worst, being avoidant of them,” Dr Rosie said.

After that heady honeymoon stage, a woman’s sex drive can be affected by fatigue, stress, poor diet, a poor body image, painful sex, her husband’s pouting … the list can go on and on.

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Could it be her biology..?

no matter what man she have, it will become a everyday item for her.

A bad boy will keep her on her toes though, and give her the drama and emotional bull she needs in her half way adult brain. Women thrive with drama.. why else would they love those never ending tv series with nothing more than endless arguing between a small group on mindless people..

A healthy relationship dosen't supply her tottler brain with enough drama.. no matter if you are a superstar or superman

If you drive a ferrari and eat at the noma restaurant everyday.. this will eventually become borring too...

Take away logic and reason.. add. a lot of selfish-ness to a teenage brain, and you are close to her "guide'ing system"

To her.. if it feels right, it must be right
 

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Well, you’re not alone. In fact, every woman will experience a drop in her libido throughout any relationship – even if you’re dating, say, Johnny Depp.

It’s called the Limerence Period and Dr Rosie goes into it at length in her book, Where Did My Libido Go?.

She said a woman’s lust runs on two neuro-transmitters, dopamine and adrenalin, which peter out during the first six, twelve or eighteen months of their new relationship.

Yes, you can literally count the honeymoon period on your fingers and toes. And after that?

“After the Limerence phase, many women will never again or rarely feel enough desire for them to initiate sex.”

Sorry guys.

“That is very disappointing for the woman and very disappointing for her partner because she’s gone from being a hot tamale to being, at best, receptive to his sexual advances and, at worst, being avoidant of them,” Dr Rosie said.

After that heady honeymoon stage, a woman’s sex drive can be affected by fatigue, stress, poor diet, a poor body image, painful sex, her husband’s pouting … the list can go on and on.

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Could it be her biology..?

no matter what man she have, it will become a everyday item for her.

A bad boy will keep her on her toes though, and give her the drama and emotional bull she needs in her half way adult brain. Women thrive with drama.. why else would they love those never ending tv series with nothing more than endless arguing between a small group on mindless people..

A healthy relationship dosen't supply her tottler brain with enough drama.. no matter if you are a superstar or superman

If you drive a ferrari and eat at the noma restaurant everyday.. this will eventually become borring too...

Take away logic and reason.. add. a lot of selfish-ness to a teenage brain, and you are close to her "guide'ing system"

To her.. if it feels right, it must be right
Actually bro they need a lot of "feel wrongs". Guilty pleasures. Ignoring this is where we get it wrong.
 
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He did say "A healthy relationship dosen't supply her tottler brain with enough drama.. no matter if you are a superstar or superman" that you should sought for your relationship dynamic. Others just pump n dump. Thats my usual practices with women.

Either they are top tier women or low hangin fruit, knows how to differentiate them.
 

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He's not fully wrong.

At ur current level, you not only have experienced this many times over but will continue to experience it UNTIL you're reached the stage WHERE you are ACKNOWLEDGED as the best at what you do AND carry that confidence around.

It doesn't matter in which stage u r in, it could be at a lower stage, a middle stage or high end stage.

But in every stage u r in, you have to be the GREATEST.

Women basically will rationalise that u r ruggedly handsome even when u r short and ugly simply because to her (and those around her) acknowledge that u r the greatest.

Even with that, to keep those women around, leadership skills that's empowering is essential.

So it's 2 things, be an acknowledged great man and an accomplished leader.

Both can be learned and it has nothing to do with being dominant nor passive - this is where Rollo has it wrong.
Women are looking for guys at the top, especially professionally. But it has pros and cons. As a guy at the top, you have to tiptoe around because everyone is expecting you to be squeaky clean and not be inappropriate. Youre more of a target by the #metoo movement and women trying to get a payday. Eventually, you'll get replaced because female hypergamy is rampant.

A large majority of men I know who are at the top have been with the same woman for many years. I think they know that fvcking around has more costs than benefits. They can bang anyone but at the same time they can't bang anyone. Think of pro athletes. Yeah, they can bang any woman. But nowadays they have really tight security around them, and they take a lot of precautions around women. They are TARGETS. Guys at the top cannot go on fvcking sprees as much as people think they can.

I'm not fully convinced that women are always on their best behavior around the alpha guy they are fvcking. A lot of alphas have negative qualities, like being jerks, cheating, and not making wise decisions.

Women at first like the alpha because he's c0cky, good looking, and not a wuss, but if he has negative qualities, the woman will eventually go back to a more beta guy they were with before. This may or may not be true, but it seems like there are a lot of alpha widows out there because they have INITIAL attraction to the guy but then soon found out more about him and left. I'm willing to bet that many women who cheat on their husbands look back and realize it wasn't worth it. Especially when the alpha kicks them to the curb after he gets what he wants.
 

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Women are looking for guys at the top, especially professionally. But it has pros and cons. As a guy at the top, you have to tiptoe around because everyone is expecting you to be squeaky clean and not be inappropriate. Youre more of a target by the #metoo movement and women trying to get a payday. Eventually, you'll get replaced because female hypergamy is rampant.

A large majority of men I know who are at the top have been with the same woman for many years. I think they know that fvcking around has more costs than benefits. They can bang anyone but at the same time they can't bang anyone. Think of pro athletes. Yeah, they can bang any woman. But nowadays they have really tight security around them, and they take a lot of precautions around women. They are TARGETS. Guys at the top cannot go on fvcking sprees as much as people think they can.

I'm not fully convinced that women are always on their best behavior around the alpha guy they are fvcking. A lot of alphas have negative qualities, like being jerks, cheating, and not making wise decisions.

Women at first like the alpha because he's c0cky, good looking, and not a wuss, but if he has negative qualities, the woman will eventually go back to a more beta guy they were with before. This may or may not be true, but it seems like there are a lot of alpha widows out there because they have INITIAL attraction to the guy but then soon found out more about him and left. I'm willing to bet that many women who cheat on their husbands look back and realize it wasn't worth it. Especially when the alpha kicks them to the curb after he gets what he wants.
A real Alpha whose getting around won't treat her that good, because she's already shown him she's a scoundrel by cheating with him. He will have his fun, but he won't hold onto her. She'd be a idiot to try to leave to him.
 

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When a woman is having an affair with a man who her hindbrain acknowledges as an Alpha, it feels like cheating to her when she has sex with her Beta husband. Her ‘loyalty’ shifts to the Alpha she’s cheating with because he’s her best option and she can’t afford losing him.

Couldnt agree more, thats where female loyalty goes to... the guy with the best DNA while no gratitude goes to whoever of inferior stock commits to her and her kids.

Now think about all those average guys whos girlfriend takes time to return their calls or those married men whos wifes happen not to like bl0wjobs.
I think men, especially, need to stop thinking in terms of some presumed hardwired feminine behavior, when it comes to female psychology. Anthropology only accounts for so much; the rest is just due to plain old fashioned human weakness.

What hardwired biological imperative compels a man to sleep with his best friend's wife? Is that a masculine conception of loyalty? No.

What we're looking at, in most cases of abhorrent human behavior, male or female, is just plain weakness and rationalizations. When a woman sleeps with her ex's nemesis, it isn't even because she necessarily finds him attractive, in the least; it's just spite, one of the most petty, reflexive, and immature human motivations, and one which men give in to, also.

What Rollo's tweet reminds me of most is this modern "Best Life" bullsh it, which so many young people use as a rationalization for screwing over everyone else in their lives, from parents to children to siblings to spouses to friends. They cut all prior obligations because they're chasing something, in the moment, that they think will give them bliss.

Women are the weaker sex, which is why I often lump them in with children, when talking about them, but too many young guys are acting like children, too, these days...and long past the age when it's still appropriate.
 
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Ah, the forbidden fruit of strange ass provides a thrill unique to it.

Some folks will often hurl themselves into chaos for a variety of reasons.

They’ll also step back from the ledge with a compliment of other reasons.

I think it has a lot to do with timing. When things flow and just ‘click’ it’s an intoxicating state of being.

When a brief glance and a locking of eyes, sparks a cascading of tingles, getting wet, getting hard, exciting the mind to ponder ‘what if’ or ‘fvck it’, taking action of ‘being in the moment’ creating an experience and memory of a lifetime.

These are the moments to live for.

I was super judgemental about folks who had affairs. That was until I met an unhappy fiancé, who rented a house on some land that we just finished throwing an event on. I was the last man standing, packing up after a month of being on the land. It’s getting late, I ask if it’s cool for me to break down my camp in the morning. She checks with land mates - all good.

We were hanging out, bantering, one thing led to another, and after a night of fun times, in the morning she said ‘those were firsts’, I looked at her, ‘huh?’
‘That was the first vaginal orgasm I ever had!’
What?!
‘Yeah, and that was the first multiple orgasm I ever had !!’
You’re kidding...
‘My legs were shaking !!’
Yeah, I remember...

‘Let’s do it again !!!’

I’m like, ahhhh, I need to go,...
(I was feeling a lot of cognitive dissonance with my identity and integrity. It took a while to get sorted.)

Within a couple weeks, she broke off the engagement and moved out of one of the prettiest 200 acres of forest I’ve had the pleasure of being in.

And then she proceeded to blow up my phone.

We would have hooked up more but I had an important project that took priority and I couldn’t make the time. I also did not want to be her next monkey branch. So I let it cool off a bit.

Now it’s about frame control. Every few weeks she keeps texting me with a relationship tone, and whenever I sexualize the convo, she doesn’t follow.

oh well,..


So now I see affairs in a different light, that at times it can provide clarity on:

Want what you have,
Have what you want,
Or lose.


Given the choice, I think most would choose to be winners.
 
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Women are looking for guys at the top, especially professionally. But it has pros and cons. As a guy at the top, you have to tiptoe around because everyone is expecting you to be squeaky clean and not be inappropriate. Youre more of a target by the #metoo movement and women trying to get a payday. Eventually, you'll get replaced because female hypergamy is rampant.

A large majority of men I know who are at the top have been with the same woman for many years. I think they know that fvcking around has more costs than benefits. They can bang anyone but at the same time they can't bang anyone. Think of pro athletes. Yeah, they can bang any woman. But nowadays they have really tight security around them, and they take a lot of precautions around women. They are TARGETS. Guys at the top cannot go on fvcking sprees as much as people think they can.

I'm not fully convinced that women are always on their best behavior around the alpha guy they are fvcking. A lot of alphas have negative qualities, like being jerks, cheating, and not making wise decisions.

Women at first like the alpha because he's c0cky, good looking, and not a wuss, but if he has negative qualities, the woman will eventually go back to a more beta guy they were with before. This may or may not be true, but it seems like there are a lot of alpha widows out there because they have INITIAL attraction to the guy but then soon found out more about him and left. I'm willing to bet that many women who cheat on their husbands look back and realize it wasn't worth it. Especially when the alpha kicks them to the curb after he gets what he wants.
There's actually no such thing as being alpha. It's all made up in ur minds.

The truth is, there's a dominant and passive personality.

Both hv their pros and cons.

Yet both offer a variety of greatness.

I think everyone here would be better off not thinking in terms of Alpha or Beta, it is highly misleading and purely a made up fantasy created by NERDS.

Women are never satisfied.

That's a fact of life.

What I mentioned in my previous posting is not full proved or a guarantee but it is the most likely outcome.

As for a woman being continously attracted to you, I think that's being highly delusional, No. 1, it is men who loose interest in their partner and from there we by default "soft-dismissed" our partners.

That's when things start to actually go downhill.

It's because many men and women has a screwed up version of what a relationship entails.

Men, especially most of you here, worship the ground women walk on.

Just look at 1 of the threads on here, 2 pictures of the ugliest women were posted and the poster calls for appreciation ?

You want answers, I can give it, but can you accept it?

Most of you can't because you're been under constant programming and are actually living in a world made up by feminine imperative.
 

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Ah, the forbidden fruit of strange ass provides a thrill unique to it.

Some folks will often hurl themselves into chaos for a variety of reasons.

They’ll also step back from the ledge with a compliment of other reasons.

I think it has a lot to do with timing. When things flow and just ‘click’ it’s an intoxicating state of being.

When a brief glance and a locking of eyes, sparks a cascading of tingles, getting wet, getting hard, exciting the mind to ponder ‘what if’ or ‘fvck it’, taking action of ‘being in the moment’ creating an experience and memory of a lifetime.

These are the moments to live for.

I was super judgemental about folks who had affairs. That was until I met an unhappy fiancé, who rented a house on some land that we just finished throwing an event on. I was the last man standing, packing up after a month of being on the land. It’s getting late, I ask if it’s cool for me to break down my camp in the morning. She checks with land mates - all good.

We were hanging out, bantering, one thing led to another, and after a night of fun times, in the morning she said ‘those were firsts’, I looked at her, ‘huh?’
‘That was the first vaginal orgasm I ever had!’
What?!
‘Yeah, and that was the first multiple orgasm I ever had !!’
You’re kidding...
‘My legs were shaking !!’
Yeah, I remember...

‘Let’s do it again !!!’

I’m like, ahhhh, I need to go,...
(I was feeling a lot of cognitive dissonance with my identity and integrity. It took a while to get sorted.)

Within a couple weeks, she broke off the engagement and moved out of one of the prettiest 200 acres of forest I’ve had the pleasure of being in.

And then she proceeded to blow up my phone.

We would have hooked up more but I had an important project that took priority and I couldn’t make the time. I also did not want to be her next monkey branch. So I let it cool off a bit.

Now it’s about frame control. Every few weeks she keeps texting me with a relationship tone, and whenever I sexualize the convo, she doesn’t follow.

oh well,..


So now I see affairs in a different light, that at times it can provide clarity on:

Want what you have,
Have what you want,
Or lose.


Given the choice, I think most would choose to be winners.
This is rationalizing^
 

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Its really simple:

If you're alpha you will totally understand what Rollo is referring to.

If you're beta, you are trying to reason with why your woman cheated on you and you'll never figure it out.

End of story. Dont want to get cheated on? Be the best option that she cant afford to lose because she knows she will never replace you.
 

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I am going with the pro-Rollo side for this.

Rollo's statement is essentially an extension of the 80/20 rule, where 20% of the men are getting most of the sex.

The emotional reasoning from the woman's point if view does not change anything in regards to the above. Circumstances forced her to settle down with a lesser mate than her DNA desired.

She will still desire the more alpha male and will bond to him sexually if things reach that point. Her biological programming compels her to seek that alpha just as our male biologocal programming compels us to inseminate as many women as possible.

People get confused and look at what they call "exceptions" as a way to violate this "rule". Most exceptions are there for logical reasons, such as why a woman might make different decisions based on the specific needs in her life. Or it is possible that two alphas are in a woman's life amd she is fvcking them both (aka h0rs).
 

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One has to remember Rollo uses alpha and beta as a placeholder. Everyone will argue why women cheat.

From my viewpoint it is simple. I don't care why she cheated. It is unacceptable behavior. She no longer exists to me. See, I'm not afraid of living my entire life alone. I control my life. People are free to be a part of it or get out. I do not tolerate disrespect.
 
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